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This is a weekly thread in which we read through books on and related to imperialism and geopolitics. Last week's thread is here.

The book we are currently reading through is How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. Please comment or message me directly if you wish to be pinged for this group, or if you no longer wish to be pinged.

This week, we will be reading the first two sections, "The European Slave Trade as a Basic Factor in African Underdevelopment" and "Technical Stagnation and Distortion of the African Economy in the Pre-Colonial Epoch" of Chapter 4: Europe and the Roots of African Underdevelopment - To 1885.

Next week, we will be reading the latter two sections, "Continuing Politico-Military Developments in Africa - 1500 to 1885", and "The Coming of Imperialism and Colonialism" of Chapter 4: Europe and the Roots of African Underdevelopment - To 1885.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

Imperialism Reading Group ping!

This week and next week will be spent on Chapter 4.

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

"Development means a capacity for self-sustaining growth. It means an economy must register advances which in turn will promote further progress. The loss of industry and skill in Africa was extremely small, if we measure it from the viewpoint of modern scientific achievements or even by the standards of England in the late eighteenth century. However, it must be borne in mind that to be held back at once stage means that it is impossible to go on to a further stage. When a person was forced to leave school after only two years of primary school education, it is no reflection on him that he is academically and intellectually less developed than someone who had the opportunity to be schooled right through to university level. What Africa experienced in the early centuries of trade was precisely a loss of development opportunity, and this is of the greatest importance."

[-] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I know others have said it already but Rodney writing is just so easy to read and understand.

It’s really a travesty he was taken so early.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Oh yeah, I just found this part

During the colonial epoch, the British forced Africans to sing,

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves

Britons never never never shall be slaves.

The British themselves started singing the tune in the early eighteenth century, at the height of using Africans as slaves. "What would have been Britain’s level of development had millions of them been put to work as slaves outside of their homelands over a period of four centuries?" Furthermore, assuming that those wonderful fellows could never never never have been slaves, one could speculate further on the probable effects on their development had continental Europe been enslaved

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like rodney is mandatory reading to fully understand historical materialism. He pretty much fully answers the last part of marxs theory that he was yet to be able to write before passing

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

The connections he's making are great. How Europeans became middlemen and actually broke up economic integration between African regions. I don't have it in front of me, but his idea on African communities in isolation didn't have a large enough market, so local industry was stifled really hit me. It made it the idea of modern AES seem much more significant.

[-] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry I have fallen a good bit behind I’m still working through chapter 3 :(

I’m enjoying the comparison of the communalist societies to what became feudalism in Europe. At where I am he’s stating that there hasn’t been a larger feudalist stage in Africa like there was in Europe which I think is really interesting.

[-] semioticbreakdown@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

can I be pinged? I'll need to catch up

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Adding to the pile, by far the best aspect of this work in terms of how the information gets across is Rodney's voice. He's clear, funny, concise, and knowledgeable.

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