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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 130 points 1 week ago (9 children)

A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works -2 points 6 days ago (7 children)

And society != government.

The law should tolerate intolerance, outside of credible threats of violance/restrictions of others' rights. However, society shouldn't tolerate intolerance, meaning we should shut down intolerance in all privately controlled spaces, and confront intolerance in all public spaces.

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[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Nobody has a problem censoring hateful and harmful content, so long as they're the ones that get to decide what that means.

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[–] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 35 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Lemmy was created because Desaulines(sp?) got "censored" on reddit. Now he famously over-censors his darling instance lemmy.ml.

My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all. Everyone is human and doesn't want to hear anything that they consider egregious, or in the case of lemmy.ml "against rule 2".

[–] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My point is just that nobody really thinks it should be a free for all.

Don't made judgements about everybody based on one guy. I'm on an instance that doesn't defederate lemmygrad or lemmy.ml, so I commonly see utterly insane tankie takes in popular, and of course also in various comments - and yet I don't want those people to not have a platform. Because I trust just about noone to decide whether my opinions should be censored, and if that means also not censoring the opinions of people who I think are very wrong, I'm willing to take that trade.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

.ml is garbage lead by legit garbage people. But, open source means we can take lemmy code made by garbage people and repurpose it for good. Unfortunately it seems like Lemmy image is forever stained by those people and the network will never be adopted by normal people fully.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Lemmy is fine. It will blow up in the next 2-5, guaranteed. We will also learn new ways disinformation techniques will evolve in that time frame to adjust.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Unless the government outlaws federating/VPNs and forces ISPs to block instances.

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[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (67 children)

Meta's anti-LGBT rules are closely knit to their ending the fact-checking: It is science denialism and linked to racism and vaccine skepticism.

Homosexuality and gender identity are not considered mental illnesses, Sex is not a binary, and Race is not connected to intelligence.

Bigots never liked science on these three, and now they use political power to impose their narrative.

Meta never moderated such discourse. Nor reddit nor twitter nor youtube. There was no censorship to end here. What this is, it is a free pass to punch down trans and gay people. It is incitement to violence, and Zuckerberg and Musk must go to the gallows for it.

Don't get me started on the toxic harassment these platforms have allowed against African and Carribean reparation activists, how they have destroyed the lives of feminists, and how they have named all Palestinians terrorists.

At this point race realists and gender essentialists have ensured political and technological control of the narrative.

There is no room for debating sealioning trolls on this one. If they don't understand the social dynamics against gender/sex/minorities at this moment, they are no better than brownshirts.

It is permabans and hooks and jabs all the way, for every single weird freak that backs this deranged hateful shit.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, but just deleting without comment, as if it never existed, isn't the solution either.

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