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[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Read this in Swedish Chef's voice.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It makes more sense if you understand that the "thorn" (Þ) is pronounced "th".

Interestingly, the thorn was in pretty common use until the printing press took off because most of the presses in England were imported from France and Germany, neither of which used the thorn so their typefaces didn't include one. For a while people used 'y' in place of the thorn (hence "ye olde"), but eventually it fell out of use all together

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

Printing press is one factor, another is French influence. Greek terms with that sound were written with like in French and so already competed with <þ> independent of the printing press.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard that y and th competed and th won in the end.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@RegalPotoo

(My understanding)

The thorn evolved as a pseudo glyph first, have you ever written a "th" really fast? Once the printing press was invented and widespread, it became less common for "th" to look like a thorn and it slowly fell out of use altogether

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's wrong. Thorn was a runic letter before the Latin alphabet arrived in great Britain. Since the latter didn't have a letter for this sound, they used it from the older script. "þ" writing fast looks like "y" which is why that letter was used in print. Words For Granted as a podcast episode about lost letters of the English alphabet, including þorn.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting! I wonder what other linguistic history I have slightly wrong lol

ᚦ is Thurisaz rune.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 week ago

May we all be nat eton.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

A frog is a wee beast with four legs which lives both in water and on land. He is brown, green, or yellow, or if he is tropical, he may be diverse colors. He has lungs and gills both. He haches from an egg and he then is a tadpole. He grows to be a frog if he is not eaten.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Hatches from an egg" caught me up a bit but I could read this otherwise

You don't care but I was excited

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I just know it from Schnappy das kleine Krokodil we learned in German class haha

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

arguably if you're translating then "wee beast" should be "small animal."

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That is arguable. I wouldn't want to rob it of its flavor. 'Wee beast' is unusual, but it's fine English already.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

The argument - that I don't particularly care about, just idling commenting - is would that be translation or transliteration.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thought I was reading Dutch there at first. But it was just idiot

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

No, can confirm.

Actually early Middle English and Dutch were not that far apart. More French, of course, but a lot of Germanic verbs and vocabulary that matched up with Dutch.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

They're the same picture

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

You were not alone…

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is like Frisian and English mixed together. As a Dutch man I could stil read this. Except had to figure out that ſ is an s

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: Old English and Old Frisian are closely related.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is probably Middle English. Old English is harder to read https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogga

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it really just looks like someone who speaks english, german, and swedish got a severe head injury

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lots of head injuries going around back then

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

as evidenced by the existence of france

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If anyone is having trouble reading this, it might help to know that "þ" is the same as "th". That's more widely known than it used to be, but it's still pretty niche.

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

adding onto this, that weird f looking letter in "beeſt" is actually a long S. So it's read as "beest"

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh no did this mean frogge is just a wee lil beast 🥺

[–] fxomt@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

a wee beest with foure legges bop on water and on lond 🥺

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought this was a really secluded and niche Scots dialect before realising it was just old english.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

ġīese, is eald Englisc; ac nis Eald Englisċ; hwæt ic cweþe hát Eald Englisċ.

Sé mema is on Middelenglisċ.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I read this all in a broad Scots accent. Which is possibly a pretty accurate choice. ~~Old English~~ Early middle English and lowland Scots are very, very similar as languages.

[–] EnIdiot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is early Middle English not Old English.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Ah, how right you are! Sorry, I'll edit.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where can I find more descriptions like this?

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's from the proposed Middle English Wikipedia. Here's the frogge article, here are all articles that have been written. But the no-fun-allowed Wikimedia killed it off.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They allow conlangs but not historical languages?? What the actual fuck

[–] sunbather@beehaw.org 11 points 1 week ago

its weird and lame middle english was killed off, particularly as theres old english available

[–] IndieSpren@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's a lot of articles written in middle English that make sense on that list, like languages, locations, historical events, historical figures, etc.

Then there's also brainfuck, genshin, and this beauty.

[–] don@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I can hear the YouTube video done about this.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you NEED to hear the voice actor reading this
https://youtu.be/HguKPVgIZL8

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Little bit of a shame that he reads the thorn as b :-(

Otherwise pretty funny

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Late middle English?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who makes up such funny words?

[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago

This is just how English used to be.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Surely, i'm having a stroke

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago
[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I thought this was Froggy Went A Courtin for a moment before reading more.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ghhp - h'just . . . hang on . . .

*fwhoooooooh* . . . . snif . . . ooohhh . . . . ahh. dang. oh man. whew!

Okay. Next one.

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