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What's great about this, and Stephen Fry is brilliant, is not that he's absolving Musk, or that he's criticizing Tesla, but that it is an argument likely leading to Elon Musk protesting,

'No, my cars are good enough that I can be a Nazi!'

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 51 points 15 hours ago (19 children)

Let's repeat it again kids. Elon Musk is a piece of shit

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[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

One day he's criticized for saying that Hitler was a communist, the other for apparently assuming his love of nazis.
There's an old series of books by Terry Goodkind that i've read as a child, named the Sword of Truth, each book has a wizard's rule, and here's the first one :

People are stupid. They believe things mainly because they either want them to be true or fear them to be true.

I'm not particularly fond of these books nor do i agree with this rule, but if you're political then you're judging real political actions, such as enacted laws, like adult do, or you're eventually discussing assumed theories, but not unfair little excerpts regretted afterwards by the one who did them, and we can hopefully both agree that we should not explain our worldview or vote based on the latter, its 'just for fun'/'not serious'.
At least most journalists know that it's only about influencing his future decisions, but you don't if you believe it was 'a coming out'/'something to be discussed seriously'.
That's just my two cents, thanks for reading my insults towards you, and let's continue not changing.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 118 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Headlines are being headlines, I get it, but Fry was repeating a joke:

“I heard a very good joke yesterday,” the QI host, 67, told Stig Abell on Times Radio on Thursday.

“Someone said, ‘Musk is not a Nazi... Nazis made really good cars,’” he went on, before bursting out laughing.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago

Right, and here's the clip.

[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee -3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Amazing that during bidens regime all i had to do was date a bdsm guy from austria and get labeled a nazi by even work. I dont know how they found out cause he was half a state away and it was a long distance relationship. I still get called it even with elon prancing about. IDGAF musk is a n*zi. Let those karens on toktok get fired.

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[–] droplet6585@lemmy.ml 179 points 23 hours ago (36 children)

Hur hur. I'd wish people would stop assigning hyper-competence to Nazis. They never were. Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

That's just ignoring history. There are plenty of good reasons to hate the Nazis without needing to do that.

In the similar way, it's not necessary to dismiss Soviet Union's early modernization successes in order to blame them for their crimes against humanity.

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[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 127 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Exactly this. My grandmother lived under the Nazis and she said they were fucking idiots. Exactly the same type of incompetent blowhards. The whole hyper scientific ubermensch BS in the cultural zeitgeist is so frustrating. I blame all the WWII video games and movies that played up the myth to have more interesting villains than the sleazy shit stains that they actually were.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

The strength of the Germans was that I.) they had a really good industrial base, and ii.) the traditions within the army meant they had extremely well trained soldiers. Both of these predate nazi-rule. For instance, Germans also arguably had the best (equipped) army in WW1.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Not entirely. You should read the scathing after action reports from Wehrmacht generals who lead the Polish campaign. Basically, they wanted to postpone all offensive operation for at least 3 years because of the high armor losses and correct the deficiencies. The fucktard, Hitler, sent his best generals to desk jobs and replaced them with yes people to continue the war. This is what Bush did during the build up against Iraq and Afghanistan and exactly what Orange Nero wants to do too.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

they had extremely ~~well trained soldiers~~ brainwashed teenage murderers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Two things can be true at the same time. German soldiers were incredibly cruel in non-combat situations, and at the same time highly competent in combat.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Early Nazis also galvanized a young working force with actual socialist policies that guaranteed them good jobs and housing (before Hitler's multiple violent party purges, scrapping most of it for a fascist-capitalist junta)

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 65 points 23 hours ago

It's hard to convince people that they've been had by a bunch of morons.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 16 hours ago

I blame all the WWII video games and movies that played up the myth to have more interesting villains than the sleazy shit stains that they actually were.

I guess Wolfenstein being banned for glorifying Nazis actually had some merit.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 40 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.

German trains still don't run on time. Can't blame that one on the Nazis, that's just a German thing.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

At least you didn't rip up your railways. We barely even have trains here in the US.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 23 hours ago
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