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Elon Musk claims his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is shutting down payments to federal contractors, including a Lutheran charity, asserting it is eliminating corruption.

This suggests DOGE has access to Treasury’s payment systems, though officials have not confirmed the extent.

Senator Ron Wyden warned that DOGE may interfere with Social Security, Medicare, and government contracts.

Musk also called USAID “a criminal organization” that should “die,” amid DOGE’s growing influence over federal financial operations.

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 314 points 1 week ago (7 children)

At what point do we declare this a coup? This isn't what even the most diehard conservatives out there voted for, I don't understand how this isn't considered a hostile takeover.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 156 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're in too deep to admit how badly they obviously fucked up. Shit is gonna have to actually reach the ugly bitter end, leaving them no other possible explanation to try to hide behind. In the meantime, this must be what it felt like for the citizens of Rome as it burned.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It is not until it affects them on a personal level they make that realization. That is how far the empathy of the average conservative voter reaches.

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

And here I am, too damn poor to afford a fiddle...

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 97 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This isn’t even what the most diehard conservatives out there voted for

[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

Fucking yes.

All conservatives at the tables with all these nazis asking who voted in all the nazis.

At this point your party has folded. Keep saying "but not meeeee, I'm a real conservative!" All you want.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (5 children)

When this happens in a developing country we laugh at their politics.

When it happens in America, no one bats an eye

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It’s stressing me out to no end. I think the average person doesn’t even know this is currently happening.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 152 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So... SpaceX is one of the contractors not being paid right? Right?

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 1 week ago

L-m-a-o roflmao even

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 137 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Oh please start halting payments to government contractors. This guy starts holding payments to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon he's going to wind up real Dead real quick

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 116 points 1 week ago (10 children)
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago

And for people who don't like that word:

Regulatory capture of the entire United States government.

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[–] ajmaxwell@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is a great way to end up on the military-indistrial complex hitlist

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Raytheon would like to know your latitude and longitude

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Care package incoming.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah the Trump approach to contractors. And Musk approach to rent.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Great way to get sued for breach of contract. This administration is going to be tied up in court for the next four years

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, when all this stuff is resolved, it's still the government that's on the hook, not Musk personally. Although the new admin should probably just impound all of his and Trump's assets to pay for the fallout, but obviously Democrats would never do anything this based.

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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago

Good to know that our elected officials in the legislative branch are no longer able to create laws that are actually enacted.

This shit is outside the scope of the presidency.

[–] kungfuratte@feddit.org 56 points 1 week ago (23 children)

If the US government stops paying their bills at a certain point the country is technically defaulting. That's going to be fun.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

It's almost like they're not being fiscally responsible conservatives or something...

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago

A lot of our day to day military operations run on contractors. This seems like a good way to get more helicopters falling out of the sky.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Does anyone know what the story is behind this charity he's mentioning?

Edit: looks like they feed and provide shelter for asylum seekers, and obviously he's against that.

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[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Can I ask? Why does Musk suddenly have this authority? "DOGE" isn't even a real Department, right? And also, Musk hasn't been elected or officially confirmed for any government position. Why the fuck is he giving orders and leading departments and having any power whatsoever over the U.S. Treasury and such? I don't understand how this works. Why doesn't the U.S. have any... I don't know, safeguards against this sort of shit? It's absolutely bonkers to watch this unfold from across the pond.

Musk just walked up, said "I'm in charge now" and everyone's just complying? Please ELI5.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“DOGE” isn’t even a real Department, right?

Technically, Trump just renamed the United States Digital Service to the United States DOGE Service, then created a child agency within it called the United States DOGE Service Temporary Organization reporting directly to the President (which USDS does technically anyways) and hired Musk as a special government employee as head of that. A special government employee is essentially expected to work less than 130 days in the next year and are normally used to fill short term needs, or as expert topic consultants for specific projects, that sort of thing.

USDS is normally basically IT consultancy for other US departments, which is why he has access to a shocking number of keys to the kingdom, as it were.

And also, Musk hasn’t been elected or officially confirmed for any government position.

You don't have to be confirmed by the Senate for most government jobs (just a specific named handful of high ranking positions, like the Secretaries of various Cabinet Departments), and he was basically given the highest possible position he could without needing to be confirmed by the Senate.

Why the fuck is he giving orders and leading departments and having any power whatsoever over the U.S. Treasury and such? I don’t understand how this works.

The President has final authority and power over the executive branch and over time increasing power has been placed in the executive branch largely because Congress didn't want to fight over things every couple of years and the relative stability of a secondary agency staffed with experts was desirable for things like licensing radio bandwidth. USDS isn't one of these agencies though - it was created by Obama in 2014 to help manage US IT stuff (and basically started from the team that fixed the healthcare.gov site in 2013) and didn't need to be authorized by Congress because it doesn't have rulemaking power over anything outside the executive branch and thus doesn't require Congress to delegate power to it.

As for why he's giving orders and leading departments, legally he probably shouldn't be but he's also been assigned that power by Trump in a way that's questionably legal. There are at least 3 lawsuits that have been filed arguing that it's technically an advisory committee and in violation of the Federal Advisory Committee Act. I could totally see a federal judge agreeing with that, but it would eventually go to SCOTUS and we know who's dick they sucked to get there.

TL;DR: DOGE exists because it's an existing department (US Digital Service) renamed DOGE, Musk was hired under that department in basically the highest spot that wouldn't require Senate confirmation and because that department is essentially cross-departmental IT consultancy it gives him access to a shocking amount of federal IT resources. He isn't being stopped because everyone involved ultimately reports to Trump and Trump has told him to do it. There are at least three lawsuits filed claiming the United States DOGE Service Temporary Organization is in violation of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, but since it's only existed for like 10 days the courts haven't really had a chance to even hear arguments about it yet.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for taking the time. So I guess it is all legal and Musk somehow does have all this authority.. It's bonkers, right? Doesn't it somehow feel like the U.S. government has been running relatively well for a long time based solely on.. the expectation of decency and norms, promises and gentleman's agreements? There aren't actual laws, checks or balances to avoid any of this, but it was sort of assumed that nobody in these positions would be pure evil. But then, once they're in, they can do whatever they want.

Courts are slow everywhere, that's why it's a good idea to have some rules and roadblocks, so that someone can't just start dismantling everything on day one and courts have time to catch up before shit hits the fan.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So I guess it is all legal

It's probably really not and the lawsuits probably have a good argument regarding the FACA, but courts are slow and Trump/Musk are basically steamrolling everything they can. An agency not given any delegated power from Congress functionally taking over and commanding agencies that do have delegated power from Congress probably has more than one means of legal attack against it. But courts are slow and any staff that challenge the Musk bulldozer have been relieved of their positions and escorted from their offices.

And way too much of the public is cheering it on.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

And way too much of the public is cheering it on.

The most mind-boggling part imho. Trump and Musk doing all this shit doesn't surprise me at all. Trump especially has been very clear about the things he wanted to do, Project 2025 wasn't a secret either, and Musk.. well, he's been fascist-adjacent for a long time with his support for right-wingers the world over.. But the fact that normal people can look at this and believe it will make their country better somehow is insane to me.

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (9 children)

How is anyone permitting any of these people to have authority?

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago

Musk is himself a giant government contractor via Space X and Starlink. Odds are he's just trying to clear the board to funnel the money to his businesses. Especially when it comes to defense money!

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hey military industrial complex! Please coup this administration all ready.

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[–] DemandtheOxfordComma@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lawsuit submitted

Lower court determines whether to stay the action while case is handled

Changes are unrecoverable since department can't pay staff managing the payments

Law enforcement given warrant to force stay

Law enforcement chooses not to enforce because they have no motivation

Payments never restored

Case goes to supreme court

Law interpreted in favor of the administration because clearly no means yes, it's obvious

Congress doesn't respond due to right wing majority

Checks and balances are dead.

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[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Remember when people were posting articles on how stupid and ridiculous DOGE is because it wouldn't have the authority to do anything?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago

It's still stupid and ridiculous and it still doesn't have any legal authority.

Unfortunately, it is being allowed to act without legal authority.

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[–] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I sure hope this was worth it to hate on the trans and the browns. That's the only thing dumb ass Americans voted for in 2024.

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

It's just like when Dumpf would stiff his contractors LMAO 🤣

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not paying contractors, a plan straight out of the Trump playbook.

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