this post was submitted on 07 Feb 2025
195 points (99.0% liked)

Actually Infuriating

386 readers
384 users here now

Community Rules:

Be Civil

Please treat others with decency. No bigotry (disparaging comments about any race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, nationality, ability, age, ). Personal attacks and bad-faith argumentation are not allowed.

Content should be actually infuriatingPolitics and news are allowed, as well as everyday life. However, please consider posting in partner communities below if it is a better fit.

Mark NSFW/NSFL postsPlease mark anything distressing (death, gore, etc.) as NSFW and clearly label it in the title.

Keep it Legal and MoralNo promoting violence, DOXXing, brigading, harassment, misinformation, spam, etc.

Partner Communities

founded 2 weeks ago
MODERATORS
 

Handing the organ to nurse Tammy Nelson, Shaknovsky told her to mark it “spleen,” even though it weighed at least 10 times as much as the average spleen and was clearly a liver, according to Bryan’s lawsuit. Nelson allegedly did as she was told.

Within minutes, other doctors and hospital higher-ups swarmed the operating room, the suit states. All of them allegedly recognized the organ that had been removed was a liver but nevertheless covered up Shaknovsky’s mistake by documenting on official records that he had cut out Bryan’s spleen.

Shaknovsky allegedly tried to persuade hospital staff members that it was the spleen. He repeatedly left and returned to the operating room to tell people that Bryan had died of a “splenic aneurysm,” the suit states. In informing Bryan of her husband’s death, he allegedly told her the cause was a spleen so diseased that it had swelled to four times the normal size and shifted to the other side of his body.

Ascension nurse Kathleen Montag chased Bryan into the parking lot and lied about how her husband had died to get her signature agreeing to forgo an autopsy, the suit states.

The cover-up fell apart when the district’s medical examiner performed an autopsy and determined that the organ that had been removed was Bryan’s liver while his spleen was untouched and in the normal position, state disciplinary records show. The medical examiner ruled Bryan’s death a homicide caused by bleeding to death and having his liver removed.

top 13 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Holy shit, that is an insane amount of ineptitude,malpractice, manslaughter, and covering up. Everyone involved needs jailed. Let alone fired and sued.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Lying for profit needs to be more of a crime

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope he, and everyone involved in the cover up, go to prison

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I am curious if a nurse being told ''mark it as a spleen'' leaves the nurse with liability if they do so. But for every doctor involved, they should lose their licenses.

[–] ADKSilence@kbin.earth 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like if the nurse knew the instruction was false, following "orders" makes them just as complicit. And yes, obviously there are risks associated with telling someone with authority over you "You're wrong".

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That why in airplanes, the first officer is encouraged to speak up to the captain if he feels the captain does something stupid. Last thing you want is a crash because someone follows orders

[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago

Yes, "Crew Resource Management" (CRM). I'd kinda just assumed, given that the approach isn't exactly a secret and has well-known benefits, that it was a standard approach in surgery and emergency care. Assumed wrongly. At least pilots have their own lives on the line if they FU on the job. This "surgeon" and the staff all got to go home at the end of their shifts no matter what happened to the patient.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago

I agree with you, if they knew something was amiss, they had many options to tell someone, even if they kept quiet at the time.

[–] ADKSilence@kbin.earth 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So I'm not a doctor, but I assume knowing basic anatomy is a requirement, right? Like, I just recently had an ultrasound and could tell what my liver was compared to other organs. Surely if an untrained eye can pick out a liver, surely a doctor should be able to...

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This sort of thing isn’t as uncommon as we’d like to believe. People wake up with the wrong leg amputated and shit often enough that people going in for procedures often write on themselves in the hopes of preventing it (links to examples below). And apparently doctors ask you to mark off which side sometimes on your own.

With the sheer number of surgical procedures every year, it’s basically inevitable that mistakes and fuckups will happen.

Now the cover-up part.. that’s a bit more unusual.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ps7uAGc7LoIg6KBkwJGuCAHaJ4&pid=Api

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.l6EFuD7rpjfu3aPqoAs38wHaHa&pid=Api

https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=OIP.7m8gYb6oBQIFNlaKLklhkQHaEs&pid=Api (This one reads: Remember, not the whole knob, just the foreskin)

[–] ninja@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

The patient is asked to mark it so that the doctors can't screw up the marking. It pushes liability on the patient.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Surgeon Simulator Sertified!

I didn't think it could get worse then the blurb you posted but the details in the article make it so so much worse.