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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 29 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Let's get over the idea that it's a generation war and not a class war. Thinking all boomers are rich and own houses is like thinking all gen z are lazy. Neither is true by a long shot, but this is what the oligarchs and corporations want us to think about each other so we get distracted and don't notice that they are the ones buying up all the housing so we can't and they can rent to us at whatever price they want. Let's stick together against them instead.

edit to add: And BTW don't forget the next gens are growing up in an even worse situation and will face the effects of living under an autocracy and the effects of unaddressed climate change, while you get old and boomers are gone. Who do you think they're going to blame? You, that's who, while those in power laugh at all of us.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

Preaching to the choir but I'm singing Amen right back at you.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Something else: even boomers who own houses can still be poor and struggle to make ends meet.

"Oh, why don't you just sell your house then!" 'cause then they and their family have no place to live. "But you could rent!" Yeah, that will work for a while and then they'll be poor again.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 35 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

its not the 40 hour work week thats the issue.

Its how much productivity is demanded in that 40 hours. and the compensation for it.

and theres a LOT more productivity demanded from workers today, than there was in 1950.

Because all the technologies that were supposed to make life easier... didnt. They just increased the amount of things we can/have to do in a day.

People working today are doing more labor, producing more effort per hour than 70 years ago, but are being paid less in purchasing power for it... and if thats not a recipe for violent upheaval i dont know what is.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Back before the clock was invented, agricultural workers had about 160 days of the year to themselves. (Admittedly, to do intensive chores.) Also, employers gave free breakfast and lunch, with a bit of beer. Workers might also do as low as 4 hours of work IIRC, depending on the day and season. Below is a video on the subject. Civilis also covers topics, such as the fall of the Roman republic...which feels awfully relevant, nowadays.

Historia Civilis - Work.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

I love Historia Civilis. I wish he'd also discuss the Roman leaders that came after Gaius Julius Augustus. A lot of historians and books stop there after the fall of the Republic, but from what I understand a lot happened within the Roman empire since then. It would be nice to learn more about it all.

[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The amount of time that corporations feel entitled to is ridiculous. I've quit my last two positions because these billion dollar companies feel that they own you for every second when you're on the clock. It feels exploitative and gives you the sense that you're just some beast of burden. We're humans, not machines to push production to the maximum. But all the higher-ups see is bottom line pushers.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

What, are not grateful that they trickle down a tiny bit of money from what is left after the shareholders and CEO take their hard earned cut? Just because you did all the work and earned all of the money? How gready can you be? I mean they graciously let you be sick 6 days a year, and let you frolic for another 10. Don't you realize how much effort they had to put in worrying that the small smidgen of their enormous wealth that they had inherited and invested in your company was not earning them greater wealth at a rate that was grossly unhealthy for the company or the economy?

[–] Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I've gotta say i admire Zoomers a lot. Im a 1990 millenial and most of my generation simply put their heads down and pushed through and tried to emulate their boomers parents while not living their boomer parents reality, destroying themselves in the process. It seems that almost collectively your generation has said FUCK THIS SHIT and made moves to end it.

Its really impressive.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago

I don't know about that. I'm a 1990 millennial and the vast majority of ppl my age collectively said fuck giving the extra effort for no return. I remember reading in my 20s that millennials pretty much gave up on retirement and started traveling.

[–] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago

Literally the poorest condition house would cost 100% of 8 years of take-home pay of my engineer salary where I live. That's before accounting for loan interest on 20% down payment (I have 5%) which would push it up to 18 full years of my labor.

A single-family house is simply not worth 15+ years of my life, and I'm actively looking into cheaper options.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I don’t know any millennials like that. You sure they aren’t Gen-X?

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Ever wonder how "work ethic" became a trait that defines the quality of an individual? You can probably guess. Religion. Which of course needed people to work hard so they could donate more money to them.

My dad worked two full time jobs for a while to help the family get ahead while we were little. I think spending time with his young children would have been time better spent for everyone. He did stop when we got to school age. And he did spend a lot of time with us. Was a scout master, tball coach, all that. So I know he probably would have rather been with us than working that extra job. But from a young age it was drilled into him that work came first.

Now with younger people less into religion. We see more and more who realize that working hard for someone else doesn't need to be a defining characterist of a person's quality.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I think they see the boomers doing nothing, but having everything, and the dream of having a house, two cars, and 2.5 kids was not something they were ever told they could have. They grew up with depressed millennials close enough in age to still be friends, who tell them “I’m fucked, so you don’t have a chance in hell!” And they’re right. With prices going up and wages stagnant or going down, they don’t ever get to save anything. And why should they? At the rate houses are climbing, that down payment keeps running away from them. And still, the only thing they will ever be able to pay for is a dump in a shitty part of town.

Until we bring back hope for the future, we will keep seeing people give fewer fucks.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Maybe his motivation wasn't so much "work ethic" as it was "taking responsibility to care for one's family", since he did stop the extra job when he could and spent time with you. He sounds like a great dad!

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 80 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Please stop falling for efforts to divide the working class.

Amy such efforts should immediately be viewed as suspicious. The divide is not old vs young, or white vs black, or even rich vs poor. It is the capital class versus the labor class.

Boomers grew up in a very tiny slice of global history where the working class actually got improvements in their material conditions, so it is hard for them to understand the struggles of people before or after... but they are being ground down by capitalism the same as the rest of us.

Your comrades at work may not understand the importance of unions or collective action, but they are still your comrades. Your grandmother may not realize that all of her extra productivity went to make billionaires richer, but she is still your comrade.

[–] CommissarVulpin@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

All my coworkers voted R. It’s really, really hard to consider them allies in any sense.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

And men under 30 voted for Trump by 16 points[1]. This is NOT old vs. young.

[1] https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-gender-and-age-analysis-of-2024-election-results/

[–] WarMarshalEmu@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It is genuinely difficult not to hate them for it. But you need to keep telling yourself that they're victims to propaganda from media and their upbringing. It's hard to overcome that.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

There's a quote from a Heinlein book where he talks about how Communists can only exist in places where there are real, not imagined, ills that are not being addressed, and I feel like something similar applies for Trumpists. Their lives have gone wrong somehow, likely driven by forces beyond their control, and they've been promised easy answers by a vile con game. I don't appreciate that they got hoodwinked, but I can understand how it happened.

[–] scuczu@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

isn't it fucking weird? I've been so disassociated for weeks now, getting some things done but it's very hard.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

or even rich vs poor. It is the capital class versus the labor class

Just another fancy way of saying rich vs poor. The difference is the poors don’t realize they are in a war.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

There are plenty of people that don't consider themselves poor or who most people would not consider poor who are still in the labor class. If you produce value more than extract value from ownership then you are labor class.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Most poor people don't consider themselves poor because it is considered a terrible thing to be poor.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

There are plenty of people that don't consider themselves poor

That doesn’t make them right. That just makes them less poor than those that are dirt poor.

If you’re not floating around on a yacht then you’re comparatively poor. They can afford things these so called rich people you talk about could never afford.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz -4 points 3 hours ago

These boomers them selves could not afford to move out. Trust me no one can! Thanks Biden!

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 hours ago

Watch out the propaganda of government and ruling class trying to divide the public and turn people against each others. Boomers are idiots but owning a house is peanuts compared to billionares expenses or the money being spent on military weapons.

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