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Which browser do you use and why? (lemmy.selfhostcat.com)
submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Using firefox but concerned now

Read about some alternatives:

Edit 2/28: It seems there is no general consensus if we should switch and/or to what.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use FireDragon, because it's the only browser I could find that has a vertical tab-bar that collapses. Supposedly Zen does it, too, but I couldn't get it to work.

FireDragon also has a toolbar to the side with a notepad and other neat stuff. I haven't used that yet, but it could be cool.

[–] Patrik@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Fennec on mobile, haven't gotten around to replacing FF on Desktop yet.

[–] sunred@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Currently on Firefox with Betterfox and Lepton. I might change it to Librewolf as a base for its better defaults. Ungoogled Chromium flatpak when I need a Chromium browser. Fennec on GrapheneOS for its extension support even if it might not be as secure compared to Vanadium.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Still Firefox. Every time Mozilla does anything the entire privacy community goes insane. The terms of use they published seem entirely benign, and the only thing anyone can actually point to is the "direction being worrisome". Well, I'll get worried when they update the terms to be actually onerous. Everything even possibly annoying can be disabled, and it's still the only browser engine offering competition against Chrome ruling the web.

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been using Zen for the past couple days and it's absolutely spectacular. I really really been enjoying it.

It claims to be a fork of Firefox but there's still Firefox under the hood and you can tell. But I find that it runs significantly faster than Firefox standard. So who knows. The author seems to be making it as ambiguous as possible so I would think that it's a soft fork that's basically stock Firefox with a few minor changes and a new look.

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[–] icogniito@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Zen, absolutely love the workflow and the fact that it is not chromium based.

Waiting excitedly for ladybird, it is already very impressive but still years left until it is daily drive able

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

Basically a firefox skin, although they have a VPN as a sponsor, did somebody did a thorough check on that browser?

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[–] nycki@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I still use firefox despite their questionable leadership, for one major reason: it prevents Google from setting whatever web standards they want. Sites that aren't standards compliant will usually still work in Chromium-based browsers, but they will break in Firefox, and then I can report the bugs.

[–] TheChickenOfDoom@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Librewolf, it's Firefox but without the evil.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] kittenroar@beehaw.org 5 points 2 days ago

Still using Firefox. They mean well. Wish I could say the same of chrome.

[–] trk@aussie.zone 16 points 3 days ago

Firefox. And Thunderbird. And donate to Mozilla.

Don't really see the point in using a fork that, by the time you boil it down, just takes Firefox's work and then releases it later.

I want a Google and Apple alternative and I'd rather support it at the top of the chain.

[–] jadsel@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have found Mozilla's sync across devices handy, but now I'm in the process of moving over to using Vanadium on my GrapheneOS phone and FireDragon on desktop.

FireDragon started out as a Librewolf fork, but is more recently based on Floorp. They are still keeping in sync with Librewolf's privacy enhancements, with some of their own thrown in. I like that the default search engine is Garuda's instance of Searx, with Whoogle as another option if you don't want to self host. FireDragon will also sync your Firefox account off Garuda's server instance if you like (which would be more useful if I weren't going with a Chromium fork on mobile). The Garuda project is certainly looking more trustworthy than Mozilla these days.

[–] SwordInStone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

unholy sentence out of context (1st of second paragraph)

[–] jadsel@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 days ago

Gotta say, you have a point. Too lost in the privacy sauce to really notice it earlier. ;)

Reminds me of gink

[–] StanislavP@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Switched to Librewolf on Linux and Ironwolf on Android. But looking forward to Ladybird!

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[–] kazaika@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Firefox. Read the new statements on their website and the Full diff of the pull request. Not concerned at all.

Edit: pumped for ladybird, but its gonna be a few years until that is finished

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[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Firefox, while I dislike their new FAQ and TOS I build it from source and the TOS does not apply.

I wish they would make Firefox Sync a self hostable product that they also host for you for like 5 bucks a month. I would pay for it (or any other way to directly give money to FX instead of Mozilla) like I do for Bitwarden.

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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 48 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Firefox. Equally concerned as well.

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[–] geolaw@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Should we also be comparing rendering engines?

[–] SunDevil@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

While I'm not sure dropping Firefox is necessary at this juncture, I've had a good experience using LibreFox. Hearing a lot about Zen, though.

Check out Mozilla's clarification: https://www.ghacks.net/2025/02/27/mozillas-new-terms-of-use-causes-confusion-among-firefox-users/

[–] LettucePrey@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago

I think this diff makes it pretty clear its time to run, not walk: https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114078708183574404

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I use several, depending on use case:

  • Tor Browser for general and anonymous web browsing (e.g. reading news, looking up stuff, and so on)
  • Mullvad Browser as a clear web alternative for general use
  • Librewolf for generally logging into sites with personally identifiable accounts (e.g. to buy stuff)
  • Ungoogled Chromium for those few sites which only work with a Chromium-based browser, or other specific cases
  • On Android (GrapheneOS): Tor Browser and Vanadium

All regular browsers have some hardening applied and uBlock Origin installed.

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[–] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago

The Gnome browser (epiphany?) is actually quite good. But when I'm on windows I use Zen. On GrapheneOS I use IronFox.

I also recently tested Ladybird. It's still not usable for daily use, but I'm excited for it.

[–] Turturtley@aussie.zone 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My issue is that while i am concerned about privacy, i’m more concerned with security patching. And none of these smaller browsers have the resources to turn around security fixes as quickly as firefox or chrome.

Firefox is the least of the concerns as long as we have the config options to disable anything deemed not privacy-respecting.

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Gnome browser, I’d use ladybird but it’s not ready yet

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm a Firefox user and I'm not really that bothered about this tos changes. If they do mess things up I'll probably just switch to some fork that doesn't do the fuckery.

Wouldn't be surprised if Mint packages Firefox with it (whatever "it" is) disabled, since they build Thunderbird without telemetry.

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[–] Xed@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I used to use variations of Firefox but I got tired of websites not being compatible so sometimes I use chrome 🤷

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve never had that happen. What sort of websites

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Poorly-designed ones.

[–] Asparagus0098@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

I use Firefox as my main browser. I use the multi-account containers extension in Firefox to seperate my browsing activities. Brave is installed as a backup in case firefox fails me. I use TOR browser for searching for stuff that I don't want linked to me.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

On pc I use both librewolf and firefox

On mobile I use mull, fennec, and vanadium if for some reason they want something chromium based

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