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U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.

A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.

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Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there's no paywall and more detail in the story.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 248 points 20 hours ago (15 children)

The U.S. Military and the CIA must know what a threat to the country Trump is, right?

......right?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

As far as I'm aware, the military, in the best case, will simply refuse to follow unlawful orders. There are formal processes to do so. That's part of military culture and law. Whether that system will hold up to Trump is unknown. When he issues unlawful orders, will soldiers simply refuse to comply? Unknown.

But one thing is for sure. It's not part of military culture to actively resist. There is no formal process for that to be protected or OK. That's simply insurrection and rebellion.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 110 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that's directed by his people?

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Here's the pickle though. Wouldn't it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

Like what happens next? it's such a bleak world now.

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 52 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

his own people,

of which are wildly incompetent

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 53 points 18 hours ago

"Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?"

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 66 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Sometimes I wish the US were what tankies say it is.

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

He's a threat for the people not for the government or he wouldn't be the ceo.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 63 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Ok. Part 1 is done. Part 2 & 3 (order doesn't matter) is that Trump ends sanctions and then stages a massive false flag attack that they then blame on Ukrainian Extremists upset over the ending of support to enact a full police state.

Part 4: ???

Part 5: profit

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Part 4: USA falls apart

Part 5: China profits

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[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Yes, he'll set the ~~Reichstag~~ Capitol on fire and go from there.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've been wondering where the US Tiananmen Square is going to be.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The US already bombed black neighbourhoods and murdered unionists, and the police kills "nonwhite" people at astonishing rates, it's just those things aren't talked about in the US at all.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 114 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

This is what I hope happens next: Ukraine wins anyway. European politicians that still weren’t sure about defending themselves without the US will be emboldened not to rely on America anymore. Europe as a whole becomes stronger and much less willing to tolerate Trump’s obnoxious demands, and see him as the weak puppet that he is.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 58 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

At some point, Europe has to start wondering whether it's really such a good thing to have US military bases all over their continent.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 40 points 16 hours ago

Build up the EU military. Kick the US out. Free airbases.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

Weak puppet with strong army. What makes anyone think stopping aid to Ukraine is all he can do. The sanctions against Russia are going to be lifted next, and if necessary, the aid is going to Russia. Europe has enough power against Russia, but not against Russia + the US.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 138 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (8 children)

Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to successfully resist invasion by a third country?

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Economic sanctions on the early RSFSR after the Bolsheviks defeated the English, French, Italian, USA coalition that invaded them in the Russian Civil War.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 91 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he's told by his master? Yes, lots.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It is being denied. Had some chud on here mocking me the other day (at about a 4th grade writing level) for saying as much.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Let's be very clear, it's not just Trump, but the ENTIRE GOD DAMN administration that has been, and is, being put into place. Hegseth already told our intelligence teams to stop looking into Russia.

If Trump was luigied tomorrow, an entire government is now in place to allow whatever they want to happen, to happen. It wouldn't even matter if he was gone.

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[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The peace agreement between Napoleon and Austria included Napoleon taking independent (but in the coalition) Venice.

It was kind of an awful elitist place but it was also the oldest democracy in the world at the time. Napoleon destroyed that, and all the monestaries. You can see the ruins of them around the lagoon if you visit.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 40 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.

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[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.

Nice army stuff, though. I've been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don't have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?

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[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 50 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He's having a melt-down because the rest of the world is siding with Ukraine (as they should)

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 72 points 20 hours ago

Not shocking, but fucking abhorrent nonetheless.

[–] Redditsux@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago

Well there goes Europe.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

This is what got him impeached the first time, right?

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago

Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don't even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you're a total psychopath.

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 57 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'd say that fighting off Russian invaders so your country can return to the peaceful state it was in is working towards peace.

Alternatively, has he asked Russia if it would just go home? Seems like another pretty efficient way to achieve peace.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

the peaceful state it was in

Was it though? Wasn't the Ukrainian government at war with separatist militias in Eastern Ukraine prior to 2022?

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Why would Putin ask Trump to ask him to go home?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 23 points 17 hours ago

Don't worry guys, I'm sure she's about to get SLAMMED with a lawsuit. That'll show him.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 38 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Poland, it'd be really cool if you all "lost track" of those shipments.

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