HP consumer equipment is pretty trash to be honest. Even their "business" models. Servers are solid though.

I can't stand Lenovo due to their Fn and CTRL key swapping places, dell is my go to for last 10 years.

You mean the iRag?

Apple Cleaning Cloth Pro, coming this October

299.99$ and can connect with the cloud

I've been buying second hand thinkpads for the last decade or so.

They arrive pre-scuffed so I don't need to worry.

Military grade is bullshit marketing. Basically anything is military grade

As others have eluded to, military-grade means "meets our minimum spec at the lowest price."

So it means they said "Our casing was made of this material last year, and this is the lowest bidder for the same quality this year."

Some context...

For one, it wasn't spyware, it was UEFI that, if a user had admin/root privilege, they could modify the firmware despite signinging procedures that should have prevented that. There was no spyware, there was no root kit, there was a vulnerability.

For another:

IdeaPads, Legion gaming devices, and both Flex and Yoga laptops.

Technically it never touched the ThinkPads. Despite some areas where things blur, ThinkPad is still relatively independent of the rest of the product line. While I may not think Lenovo is trying to actively spy on their consumer brands, they do screw up enough that I wouldn't want to touch them (not just security, they cut too many corners in general).

I certainly remember when lenovo pushed a keyboard firmware update so bad that it physically damaged a part on thousands of legion laptops and then refused to own up to it. Fuckers. Never again.

*ok I half remembered, I don't actually know that a part was physically damaged but the only permanent fix involves soldering so close enough

Ask me how I know.

Ok. How?

Best power yours off solar then, cos everything else is generators.

I ran a full sized office photo copier off a generator once, it ran fine, but you could really hear the engine chugging when the fuser started to heat up.

Not where I work. My thinkpad is managed by the understaffed IT department, and is severely crippled by clownstrike and other garbage and bloatware. Linux is not allowed, only windows.

But my colleagues who chose a MacBook don't have all that crap because said IT department haven't figured out how to remotely manage Macs yet...

It really is. I once dated a girl that would rip on me for having a Samsung. She said she needed an iPhone for work cause she takes a lot of pics and uses socials a lot. She couldn't fathom that my Samsung could do all of that and arguably more

I dunno man, I've made it a point of pride to be rough with my Macbook over the years. They hold up well to repeated beatings and last a long time. I'd rate my 2017 Macbook Pro as hardier than the Thinkpad X1 Carbon I had as a company computer for my last job. And the MacBook might have been cheaper new too.

Mine is covered in stickers.

It's so funny to see how macbooks are either super durable, or die from the smallest dust particles. My dad's macbook fell down 3 flights of stairs, and embedded itself into the wood floor boards at the bottom floor. There's not even a scratch on it even though if fell from pretty high up.

And my mother's macbook dies every year because dust ends up in between the display cable which then punctures it when the lid is closed