This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.

I'm not going to let them take fat and stupid. The sacrifices my people made will not be in vain!

Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don't they usually prefer to claim to be on God's side?

Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?

I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they "claim, twist, poison, ruin" it, so it's fine to give it up and no longer defend it.

Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.

Yet according to the rhetoric, it's a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim it as part of their cause. They'll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers "have" it), it's okay to limit & undermine it.

One might think they're right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there's a good chance they'll show up here possibly in response to this comment.

Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?

Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.

How about letting them have "no", "get bent" or, in extremes cases, a punch to the kisser? Can they have those?

F the fascists

So fucking on point. I'm tired of things being g taken by them.