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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 128 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Just checked the part about self-hosting. While it's probably possible to handle things with a less heavy approach, their only "easy to use" example right now is to have a full-blown kubernetes cluster at hand or run locally in the source directory. That's a bit much.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the README there's also instructions for Docker Compose, although it's quite the compose file, with SIXTEEN containers defined. Not something I'd want to self-host.

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[–] Lodra@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Honestly, k8s is super easy and very lightweight to run locally if you know the rights tools. There are a few good options but I prefer k3d. I can install Docker/k3d and also build a local cluster running in maybe 2 minutes. It’s excellent for local dev. Even good for production in some niche scenarios

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I don't like the approach of piling more things on top of even more things to achieve the same goal as the base, frankly speaking. A "local" kubernetes cluster serve no purpose other than incredible complexity for little to no gain over a mere docker-compose. And a small cluster would work equally well with docker swarm.

A service, even made of multiple parts, should always be described that way. It's easy to move "up" the stack of complexity, if you so desire. Having "have a k8s cluster with helm" working as the base requirement sounds insane to me.

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[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Surprised they didn't go with cryptpad - aren't they already French?

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is there any evidence of any wrongdoing or are we just considering all open source software from Russia a bad actor by default?

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, there is evidence. Did you read the linked post?

I wouldn't have any problems with it if it were just free open source software. But they also offer paid services. Internationally they do that through their Latvian based subsidiary, obfuscating their origin. At home in Russia their suite is renamed R7-Office, which is a reference to the first ICBM with a nuclear warhead. The release imagery also depicts the release of a rocket that looks like the R-7.

Altogether pretty sus, if you ask me.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

First, keep your condescension to yourself.

Second, that’s not evidence, that’s FUD.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

No condescension intended.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck :( Didn't know that... I got convinced by the company being supposedly Latvian.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is Latvian. It's also Russian. It's also Singaporean. It just depends on who you ask and how much you want to look into it.

But yeah, that's a large part of why I use Collabora instead of OnlyOffice, it's just a lot less sketchy.

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[–] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What was wrong with libre?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Libre only does local document collaboration, having it online is helpful for teams far from each other or who simply don't have the infrastructure for their own central server of this kind.

[–] ulair@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well this has been running in our Nextcloud and works pretty well collaboratively :) https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online not sure how it scales, but definitely an alternative that can be built on

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[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The web browser is the future, especially for a crappy document editor and spread sheet.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 45 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Calligra and LibreOffice already exist though. I am not against this in principle but couldn’t they have invested in an existing FOSS project?

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 43 points 1 week ago (10 children)

While both of those are great software. Unless I'm not aware of something they aren't cloud/network based office suites like Google docs and office 365.

It seems this is an alternative to office software where you can work simultaneously and share documents in the same cloud/network.

I don't think there is an alternative to office 365 and Google docs at this point that is open source. So this seems like a great project and I'll definitely be considering it for our company.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

LibreOffice online exists. It’s not mature, but they could have invest half their time in making it so.

Only Office is natively cloud based, with an optional offline/desktop version.

Both are open source, if the concern is project governance, create a fork and rebrand.

[–] Exceptionhandler@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What about Collabora Online? It integrates nicely into Nextcloud, but I am not sure about pricing for business use.

https://www.collaboraonline.com/collabora-online/

Guide for self hosting: https://collabora-online-for-nextcloud.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install/

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 week ago (9 children)

We should actually use an opensource, decentralized and private alternative instead of relying on another centralized service

See Fileverse for example: https://fileverse.io/

[–] Slax@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree but having two major countries using this might be a good move for more efforts from nations. I know Canada still uses all M$FT platforms and recently moved to EXO.

Purpose built projects like this would be easy for public servants to adopt and adapt their workflow.

[–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish we did with more open source and local software. My school in Canada has some agreement with Microsoft so we have to use everything from them.
The school mail used for all accounts is hosted by outlook
The databases are all azure
The 2fa app on our phone to boot the school computer has to be Microsoft (even gave me shit because I am root...)
Teams
We had a whole course for a year on how to use word.

It's a public school. Obviously with this most students will move to the USA for higher pay, we are literally subsidizing the USA education.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Why distributed? Having your data tied to a blockchain seems unnecessarily complicated, and it essentially puts your data at risk if the bulk of the community moves to the next hot thing.

We really need to decouple storage from the apps themselves. Whether you use distributed storage, local storage, or something commercially backed like S3 should be a choice separate from the app you use to view and edit your data.

I self-host Collabora (online version of LibreOffice; OnlyOffice is another option), and my data lives on my NAS, but it could just as easily live on S3 or some distributed data store.

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[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah agreed - anything not FOSS is just setting up another bad situation waiting to happen

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

Checked out the site on mobile, and it was unresponsive to any of my clicks.

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[–] hikuro93@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, that's excellent. We need our own Google suite. Fingers crossed so that it may come eventually.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As someone in and from the US, good. Private companies are far to prevalent in public institutions all over the world. Something as basic and fundamental as word processing should not be controlled by a small select few huge international companies.

[–] genomebandit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Really glad to see the EU adopt more open source software as a way to combat the centralized control some of the american software companies have over the space.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Pretty good project, but is it the future to have mainly web apps?

[–] RichardDegenne@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago

Bro has been sleeping under a rock for the past 10 years.

[–] SaraTonin@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s definitely been the direction of travel for the last several years. Not because the products are better, but because it’s easier to develop for just the browser than for Mac, Windows, and Linux.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Really cool. I tried to sign up but you have to be part of an officially recognized organization in France and input their registration number as part of the process.

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[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago

Great news!

This is probably the last hump for me before I can completely degoogle.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nice. Where is the source, on github (I didn't see it but I only skimmed)? Federated? Self-hostable?

[–] whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From briefly looking over the toot, I think the German version is called openDesk (bad choice as there seems to be some interior design software with the same name) there is a community version you can self host in a docker container. They apparently also have distro packages for Debian and Ubuntu but they seem to have stopped development on those.

Here's a link: https://opendesk.eu/en/

[–] mtoboggan@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago

openDesk is a complete suite of open source software. I guess Docs could at some point become a part of it. But it‘s not the same thing.

[–] chameleon@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Github: https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs

Self-hostable, but it seems like an absolute behemoth of an application if their "non-production-use-only" docker-compose file is to be believed, and I couldn't find any production-ready deployment instructions on a quick skim. No obvious signs of federation and I didn't see anything on their roadmap, not sure it would make a lot of sense for this though.

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[–] lengau@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What does this do over what the collabora tools in Nextcloud do?

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

I got a kick out of Google Docs alternative since it is trying to be AnyType, AFFiNE, AppFlowy, etc and none of those editors are stupid enough to claim to be Google Docs alternatives nor are they a bloated mess. Proof is in the pudding though... Try putting 1 inch margins on a page & add tab stops with this & printing it out where you get the same results.. oh wait, you can't... Cause it isn't a Google Docs alternative.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So FramaSoft is not a thing ?? It's French

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Nice, DINUM is doing a lot so great to see go beyond with supra national collaboration!

I'm using NextCloud (Germany and international open source community) hosted on Webo (Slovenia) with data centers in Germany and Helsinki (so I bet on Hetzner). I'm happy with it but I'll keep on eye on https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs

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