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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why would we celebrate LOSERS and SUCKERS?

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 22 points 1 week ago

The only accurate thing Trump ever said

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[–] Viiksisiippa@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (13 children)

There is absolutely no reason to blindly respect someone just because they’ve “served their country.” We don’t know what they’ve done. We have so many examples of soldiers doing horrible things to civilians around the world that blind respect is simply not warranted.

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[–] psyop@crazypeople.online 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When's the next war on bud light rainbow cans? 🤡🫡🤡

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 35 points 1 week ago (16 children)

People got mad at this one streamer for saying American soldiers deserve PTSD. When you consider that most interventions by the US are not justified or just imperial power plays, and that many soldiers commit war crimes, you realize she has a point.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Every US soldier signed up for killing, they deserve whatever they get.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago

“Protecting freedom” by torturing and bombing people halfway across the world

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (16 children)

This might get a lot of down votes but I want to say I don't think it's fair to blame the soldiers in the field for the choices of the decision makers in the office. Those horrible events were unwanted 'byproducts' of the goal of men with evil plans, they were not veterans going off-book. In other words, these veterans did what was asked of them. I'm not saying they didn't do some very bad things, but they aren't the people that should be 'thanked'.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In German penal law there were discussions on how to treat those that act under orders. Many Germans did act under orders and even in accordance to law in WW2 but also in regard to the Mauerschützen (the soldiers that shot dissidents at the inner German border)- meaning that there were difficulties persecuting them as it was technically legal. There were way too few persecutions, however something called the Radebrechtsche formula was developed. Paraphrasing it says, something that is morally wrong to every morally thinking being cannot be legalized or excused. It is simply illegal to act on orders that are naturally wrong.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Sure, but how many 18 year old boys were convicted for being conscripted into the Wehrmacht?

The US uses economic coercion to force poor kids into joining. They give veterans a massive priority bump for public sector jobs and the GI Bill is often the only way poor kids can afford college.

Also, the US military uses far more obfuscation than the Nazis used. When I was in the Air Force, I worked in geo-spatial intelligence which was mostly extracting heat signatures from satellite collected data. They kept us in the dark on what our intel was being used for. All I knew was that our intel was helping to save the lives of our fellow soldiers somehow and that the government would pay for my college when I was done.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Ah, the Nuremberg defense. 😶

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[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

In the aftermath of World War II, Carl Jaspers formulated in Die Schuldfrage that there are four types of guilt (/responsibility). Criminal guilt, political guilt, moral guilt, and metaphysical guilt. It is a great distinction in general. Yes, political leaders bear a different kind of guilt for the actions than the soldiers, but acting on clearly morally wrong commands do not obliterate guilt from the soldiers. Just like everyone who basically didn't give their life in pursuit of the good and the right bears some metaphysical guilt for what is happening in the world.

Edit: I realized that, since I am neither an English native, nor very articulate in philosophy or politics, I would rather ask perplexity for a summary. So here it is: Karl Jaspers, in his work The Question of German Guilt, distinguishes four categories of guilt and assigns specific instances to each:

  1. Criminal Guilt:

    Definition: Violations of objectively provable laws that are legally considered crimes.

    Instance: The court, which determines the facts and applies the laws in formal proceedings.

  2. Political Guilt:

    Definition: Arises from the actions of statesmen and the shared responsibility of every citizen for the government of their state.

    Instance: The power and will of the victor, especially after a lost war, as in the case of Germany after World War II.

  3. Moral Guilt:

    Definition: Refers to individual actions for which every person is morally responsible, even if carried out under orders.

    Instance: One’s own conscience and dialogue with others.

  4. Metaphysical Guilt:

    Definition: A shared responsibility for all injustice in the world, based on human solidarity. It arises when one does not do everything possible to prevent injustice.

    Instance: God or transcendence.

Jaspers emphasizes that this differentiation is meant to avoid simplistic or generalized accusations of guilt. He rejects the idea of collective criminal or moral guilt for an entire people, arguing that guilt is always individual.

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

reminds me of how they always try to justify the nuking of japan cities that had hundreds of thousands of civillians (twice even)

[–] lmfamao@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Yup, the mental gymnastics they use to justify war crimes. No other country has nuked a civilian population. They’ve nuked 2

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[–] quantum_faun@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Praise your "heroes". It’s enlightening to watch a civilization confuse slaughter with honor.

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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

What? It's just enhanced interrogation!

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