Okay "Bibi"? Where are they supposed to go? Are you going to let Palestinian civilians enter Israeli territory? Is the border crossing with Egypt open? Will Egypt let them in? Or do you just want to say this so the thousands of dead civilians get blamed for not leaving?
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They've been pushed to evacuate to shelters further south from Gaza, which is kind of the only option aside from Egypt opening up. Given that this is all caused by Palestinian terrorists entering Israel, I don't think anyone can blame them for not opening up their border to let more in
And obviously there's plenty of innocent civilians who could be admitted no problem, but Hamas is still the governing party with majority support and would undeniably use that as an opportunity to sneak more militants in
Bro you know they told a bunch of people to shelter in the city center and then bombed the city center right? There's at least a dozen reports of similar that very definitely seen credible.
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Is the border crossing with Egypt open? Will Egypt let them in?
Honestly, what's up with Egypt? Just reading comments one could get the impression Gaza was entirely encircled by Israel. But Egypt is mostly Muslim, too? And shares a 12km border with Gaza.
Goes on to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_border
Ok, I'm at a loss.
Gaza was occupied by Egypt, then by Israel.
Israel is building a steel wall near the Gaza-Egypt border and demolishing homes while fighting terrorists.
Egypt is building a steel wall near the Egypt-Gaza border and demolishing homes while fighting terrorists.
Either way, it seems Egypt is also not an option.
Egypt was the first of the Arab countries to make peace with Israel (tired of getting their asses kicked). They tend to cooperate quite a lot with Israel with respect to the border checkpoints, blockade, etc. My question about it was semi-rhetorical as I know Egypt probably isn't going to let a flood of Palestinian refugees in.
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So they can/could leave Gaza? People often say they can not just leave Gaza due to checkpoints and what not?
Netanyahu is saying that for show. It gives the Israeli government a blanket justification to ignore any collateral damage caused in this conflict because they will just claim that they warned them to leave.
Does anybody really believe that the insanely sophisticated security apparatus of Mossad didn't know these attacks were coming in advance? This has the same stink of the Bush administration ignoring repeated warnings of attacks by Al Qaeda pre-9/11 to justify war in the middle east all over again.
There's going to be some warcrimes coming. I'm not looking forward to this, nor am I looking forward to the increase of Nazis and Communists using this as justification to tar all Jewish people as evil.
My thoughts exactly. The reality of sectarian violence (whether it be ethnic or religious in nature) is the justification of more atrocities. Hurt people hurt people, and the historically oppressed can sometimes find themselves becoming the most effective oppressors. It's all bad, it's all sad, and it's all a reflection on the failures of humanity in extending the saber far more often than the olive branch...
Extending the olive branch certainly has a closer to home meaning when it’s Israel.
Coming? My guy there are already decapitations, slaughtering civilians in their homes, the music festival massacre, POW executions, rape, idk if it's specifically a war crime, but the whole kidnapped Jewish children in cages.
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This is standard policy for Israel, the same entity that pretends giving people a 'warning' before blowing up their home is a good enough excuse.
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We need to get the hard proof out there so we can discredit Bibi and destroy the Israeli far right altogether. It's the only road to lasting peace
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There are multiple cities in the Gaza Strip, the largest being Gaza City. They can leave Gaza City to another city in Palestinian territory but can't cross the border into Israel/Egypt.
Does this include the West Bank? Cause I don't see how that'd work...
I'm not sure what you mean by that, the West Bank is on the other side of the country
Edit: Nevermind, I get it. I'm really not sure, I guess Egypt/Jordan could facilitate people moving from Gaza to the West Bank
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From all the nations in the world one would expect that Jews should have learned that being an oppressor is not a recipe for peace.
At the end of the day all comes to politics and media propaganda on both sides. Both sides think they are morally right, but the truth is that neither is and that in most cases innocent civilians are suffering the most as a result. Really sad!
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I despise the government of Israel, and everyone who supports it, but killing civilians is not acceptable. I don't care about dead military personnel, soldiers are a legitimate target, but civilians? Th fuck, Hamas, THE FUCK.
This is what Hamas is, what they believe, what they do. They're religious extremists who want genocide, and the only thing that's stopping them is their physical inability to make it happen.
Tbf it is also what israel is doing in retaliation. Both sides are absolutely terrible
They're going to eliminate the threat. Which is going to mean hundreds or thousands of deaths. But Hamas knew that. They hide behind civilians to try to make Israel kill them, so they can get more recruits. It's an intentional strategy. I'm not really interested in people both sidesing this. It's a dishonest tactic intended to excuse the actions of monsters.
I have many criticisms of Israel, but they do not wish a genocide. Hamas does. There is no both sides. Hamas must be eradicated, and if the Palestinians won't do it, Israel will, and the Palestinians in Gaza will have no one to blame but themselves for all the pain that process will involve.
In the same breath you're expecting Israel to cause thousands of civilian deaths you talk about how it's wrong to excuse the actions of monsters. At best we can hope the "kills thousands of civilians" is bundled up in your tidy "I have criticisms".
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In a country with mandatory military service, I disagree that soldiers are a legitimate target as a blanket statement. As the rich and powerful wage wars, it's the poor and those with limited options who die.
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Well, this sucks
The only truth here
It's hard to believe all of the 400 deaths in the immediate reprisals were military casualties.
Killing civilians just stokes the war engine, driving recruitment up on the military, perpetuating the cycle.
Hamas wants the total destruction of Israel, we can't make peace with Hamas. Driving the population into supporting Hamas is going to extend the conflict. Giving people better options and hope then Hamas is required for some stabile solution. (Not peace, to have peace people need to be free)
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Whose soil? The soil that was handed to the Zionists by the British? Or the soil that the Zionists violently forced people off of to form a country on stolen land?
Ah yes, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria have no blame for this situation. It’s not like there was a major international body that attempted to create borders and one side agreed to and the other side attempted to exterminate the other in a belief they could win a war, then attempted again a few decades
A party that should be holding the major bag is the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Hamas is a major wing of their organization and yet, they keep the border closed. They could set up a major airport in Rafah and open trade routes into Gaza. Israel would have no say, but they don’t.
The Muslim Brotherhood doesn't hold power in Egypt, a military dictator does. Egypt cooperates with Israel on most security matters concerning Gaza, and events of the past few days have shown why. They don't want extremists running around their country either.
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