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This is quite recent but I've been browsing Lemmy a bunch lately and quite often I see extreme grammatical errors.

I'm not talking about like, incorrect stylistic choices between commas and dashes, or an improper use of ellipses or missing commas or incorrect use of apostrophes in its/it's or in multiple posessive articles or just plain typos or any nitpicky grammar nazi shit like that, but just basic spelling specifically.

It's one thing when you can't spell some pretty uncommon words and you're too lazy to look it up and/or use autocorrect, but it's a completely different league to misspell very basic words, very recently I saw someone spell "extreme" as "extream" which is just kind of baffling, I actually can't even imagine how one would make such a mistake?

And it's not been an isolated thing either, I've seen several instances like that lately.

Am I going crazy? Is it just me?

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[–] Avenging5@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ayi wudnt sei its oful, jast difarent

[–] SirQuack@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago

Been hitting the rum supply again, ye scallywag?

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My older friend and i were talking about this a about 6 months ago. We both are convinced auto correct functions are getting worse. I suspect AI injection into the function somehow, but tin foil hat me also thinks it's strategy to force more people to use microphone. Seems way more valuable to data miners

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think you're onto something there.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Whats that futurama meme? I dont know if i should be happy that if im correct or angry that im not wrong?

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 days ago

Sounds perfectly cromulent to me.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For me auto correct has a BIG problem when I miss a dubbel consonant. It will start suggesting words that doesn't have a single letter in common with what I'm trying to spell, it will suggest completely wrong words and it will even suggest nonsensical words that doesn't exist. Everything except the exact word I have spelt, but with two s instead of one.

Like yesterday I was trying to spell I believe it was "Necessary" but I had spelt "nesesary" and it was like did you mean "Acceptances" "approval" "appel" "sope" "opposition" "operation" "passport" like that isn't even close to what I'm am trying to type.

So I can completely believe auto correct have gotten worse and AI dose seem like a likely suspect.

Especially the times when I completely don't know what I am trying to spell but it gets that "Trioqulationitasitq" is supposed to be "tribulation"

I don't know how in the world it can do that but think nesesary is supposed to be approval.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Oooh good tip, ill have to start paying attention to that

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Completely agree. I cringe on a regular basis. I never know if it’s “stylistic”, typos, laziness? Sentence structure has also gone for shit.

[–] Tieas@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I feel like auto correct and voice to text aren't as good as they used to be. AI, laziness, I'm more of an idiot not sure who to blame.

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like it's gotten better. I certainly don't miss the days of "definately". I feel like that one was everywhere. Its death is maybe the one good thing auto-correct did for the world.

[–] wild@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I still see "defiantly" on a regular basis.

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, a good example of auto-correct being - as is more typical - useless.

[–] wild@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I do feel autocorrect in gBoard on Android works great.

[–] Letsdothisok@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

It's the public school system. It's amazing that our country still functions. I was lucky being private schooled.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

You are going crazy. I've been on the internet since like 1992 and have spent many, many years reading forums and playing text-based role playing games, and this is very not new. Spelling has always been awful because the internet isn't a formal medium where that stuff matters to most people. If anything it's probably gotten better since the advent of smart phones with built in auto-correct.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

OP’s browsing habits likely recently changed to a place on the web with more English as a second language users. Those kinds of misspellings are pretty common with people who learned a lot of their English from streaming Youtube and other online shows

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s the opposite. People learning English as a second language are typically much better spellers. Only a native speaker would misspell extreme that way

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

As a non native English speaker I have more difficulty constructing my sentences in ways that make sense in English. It's a lot harder to put my ideas into text in a coherent way that sounds right in English than it is spelling the words correctly, especially with auto correct and syntax highlighting

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

I get the problem you're describing, it does happen to me as well, but OP is specifically talking about spelling, which I generally do find to be worse in posts from native speakers

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Apparently this post is not an example of that issue since your sentence structure in this comment is perfect.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think you're overestimating the average quality of English as a second/third language education. The internet continuously becomes more accessible across the globe, which has overlap with lower quality and lower frequency of English lessons. There's more exposure from speakers that don't use the same native alphabet as well, so use is not so universal. When speaking is the primary use of language, reading is secondary, and writing is tertiary, mistakes get interesting. It's not too hard to hear the word "extreme" but visualize the spelling from words like dream, team, cream, or beam, all words I could see being more commonly used than extreme. It's easier to learn "very" as a modifier to a common adjective.

Source: I work in the US with mixed central/south American-born employees and travel to Mexico often. I see casual US-sourced mistakes, of course, as well as those distinctly from Spanish-speaking writers. My Spanish is just as incorrect. If you can say it out loud and still make sense, I'll vote for non-native English speakers every time as the cause

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've always experienced the opposite - native English speakers are horrible at spelling because they don't have to put any effort into comprehending the language, vs non-native speakers who frequently have to take ESL tests for either academia, work, or immigration, and therefore had more exposure to spelling practice.

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Idk I swear to god it wasn't this bad like 6 months ago, nevermind 10 years ago. Again, I'm not talking about formality or punctuation, but basic grammar like spelling which as you said should be taken care of by autocorrect and I did notice an improvement sometimes around the mid-2010s, but very recently there's been a noticeable decline, at least in my opinion.

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[–] remon@ani.social 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No, I think you does have point, I've been sawing that, too.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

Look at Mr fancy pants here using punctuation like yer some kinda edumacated person of learneding

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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Don't forget the internet is global. People for whom English is a second language are much more common than they once were.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

True. Good point.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

Yes yes you and many others have pointed this dumb take out already. I'm also a second language English speaker, and no one in my family even speaks English or ever has, and I'd never make a mistake like this.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Came here to say that.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 week ago

My spelling and grammar are a lot worse when I type on my phone. I also accidentally a word.

I don't bother with correcting it since I don't care.

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

My mobile spelling has gotten to be garbage because my phone keyboard autocorrects Sometimes and I've gotten lazy about Swype/deleting mid-word mistakes. My pen/paper and also physical keyboard spelling remains persnickety

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[–] pleasestopasking@reddthat.com 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I think this is finally being corrected, but for decades kids have been taught "whole word reading" rather than phonics. The basic idea is that instead of learning how to sound out words, they should look at the first letter and guess what they think the word might be based on context/pictures. The proponents of this method claim kids will memorize words as "whole words" and eventually be able to read.

So, they can't actually read. But they know how to look like they can read.

When you can't read it's not enjoyable, so you read less. When you read less you come across fewer words, which you don't really know how to decode anyway because you were never taught.

Anyway these kids are now adults, and even the ones who are smart still struggle with spelling and reading.

Check out the podcast Sold a Story, really interesting investigation on this topic.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not just spelling, even online people don't even bother using grammar. They literally stuff 4 different sentences in one line without using commas or periods. It's maddening, honestly.

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[–] gnu@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's not a recent thing, but I would say there has been a decline over the last decade or so. Not only does it seem like spelling and grammar are getting worse but I feel it is much more likely these days to find comments defending improper English rather than correcting it.

I saw someone spell “extreme” as “extream” which is just kind of baffling, I actually can’t even imagine how one would make such a mistake?

Maybe they had just come from dealing with large quantities of paper? Or enlarging a bunch of holes?

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