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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 7 points 40 minutes ago

Ah yes, the conservatives plan to boost the birth rate has finally come to bear a rotten fruit:

  • People can't afford to have kids
  • People can't afford to feed kids
  • People can't afford to shelter kids
  • Therefore they won't have able bodied kids to keep the retirement and tax doles fulfilled
  • Nor will they have able bodied soldiers for war

But they're boosting the birth rate! (they aren't, actually, the rate will be even more in decline since the replacement rate in the US was held up by immigration like in most countries, and dumbfuck's actions have brought a stop to that).

[–] cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 29 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This wouldn't even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.

And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s

[–] twei@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 hour ago

No need to put a /s there

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
  • A: This is the 'bad' kind of incentive. My mom worked in a hospital where people would come in pregnant, tons of neglected kids in tow, asking how much wellfare they could get for the next kid. Stuff like vouchers for school, care, healthcare and stuff doesn't incentive that.

  • B: It's hilariously inadequate and out-of-touch. $5K for childcare these days is a joke, even as a nice supplement.

...But that's the point. This is for show, like Trump's COVID checks with his signature on them. It's a brand to tell people "Hey! I'm Trump, and I'm helping you!" directly, a decent idea poorly implemented for PR purposes. It's also hilariously hypocritical, seeing how much 'blank check hand-outs' were criticized for decades.

[–] Rawdogg@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago

The average cost of delivering a baby in the US, including pre- and post-delivery expenses, is roughly $18,865. However, this figure can vary significantly, just gotta come up with the other 14000 dollars lol do Amerikans know other countries don't gouge their citizens for everything including birth? Land of the fee home of the slave

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fash privileging heteronormativity in order to increase servitude and hasten planetary destruction? Fairly normal in our culture.

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

It's free to give birth here

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago

He should know that you can't buy that many diapers with $5k.

Unless he doesn't do his own diaper shopping I guess...

[–] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 44 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€

well, that'sper month until they're 27 (as long as they're still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
...

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 10 points 2 hours ago

I'm with you here, but we need to keep in mind that the nazis never "leave". We'll need to forever and continually keep these bastards from power.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago

You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don't know, either.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only every outscales the 5k.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 4 hours ago

With the tariffs that hardly helps.

[–] imetators@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Heard they planning to do same shit in Russia. Honestly, I don't think this will work in any country.

[–] UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)
[–] maxwellfire@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Nothing on that linked page implies it works, just that some countries have done it.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

A baby bonus of $100 will also lead to improved outcomes. $10 too, just harder to measure. Heck why not $0.01?

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.

How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 15 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Daycare cost $2k a month

Is that for real? That's more than (many) private schools in Europe.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 3 hours ago

A 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house in Toronto costs more than a castle in france

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

Well to be fair, that's what it costs in many European countries, too.

That's why many women don't work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.

That's why everyone needs free daycare. That will generate a higher GDP for everyone.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

https://www.daycarefee.com/countries/germany/

I don't have a full analysis, but at least this source points at 1500 to be the high end of the expensive cities in Germany, with public care as low as 100.

So is 2000 a "normal" value in many areas, or a high end of some?

I have the feeling this is inflated and we just accept.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

$3000 is average in the big cities for infant care in a daycare center, and it drops down to about $2000 for toddlers.

Some places have options for home-based care where a person can get licensed to take care of children in their own home, and the prices are generally about half of that of the center-based care.

One big issue is ratios. If the wage for a child care worker is $30/hour including the cost of paid vacation, health insurance, and you need coverage for 9 hours per day, 5 days a week, while needing to maintain one teacher for every 4 kids, that's $340/week or about $1450/month for labor alone, assuming no overtime and perfect staffing ratios. Throw in food, rent, utilities, insurance, other operational expenses, and it's pretty much impossible to provide care for less than $2000/month per child on the costs side.

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Thanks for sharing.

I checked for Netherlands and it seems to be easily over 2k a month for fulltime care (172-240 hours).

The thing I wasn't aware of is the subsidies low income parents receive. Up to 96%. Seems to be a bit lower in practice, but still almost all is covered.

That doesn't account for high cost areas, and is dependent on income. But the conclusion seems to be that it's far cheaper than I mentioned for the end consumer.

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[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago

https://blog.dol.gov/2024/09/30/we-analyzed-5-years-worth-of-childcare-prices-heres-what-we-found#%3A%7E%3Atext=Monthly+childcare+prices+in+2018%2Cof+a+family%27s+median+income).

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/15/business/child-care-cost-average-annual

It can depend of state to state too. In Oklahoma, our cost of living is considered low but we have a high poverty rate. Our median income per household is 67k, and single income is 35k. Childcare for infants averages around $800 a month

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 51 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It won't even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real "how much could a banana cost" energy.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

And you wanna take that baby home? Well there's a few for that.

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