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I would have hoped that getting some measure of justice for herself, even if it was just exposing those monsters to the world, would have helped her cope, but i guess not. At least she made the Queen believe, so she died with her son knowing that his mother was aware of his sick perversions.
I feel terrible for her children. I wish her love for them could have pushed the intrusive thoughts aside, but eventually the thoughts won. I suspect children are the only thing keeping many of us alive.
Suicide, eh. Time to drag in the worthless shit Andrew into a Perth police station.
I hate how many people are already starting in with conspiracy theories. She was sex trafficked as a teenager, for fucks sake. Then her whole life was dragged through the mud in public view while she sought justice. Countless people take their own lives every day under far less stressful circumstances.
She didn't know anything that Ghislaine Maxwell doesn't know, and that bitch is still breathing.
the only I thing I am still shocked about is how little courts seem to care
Wait… she fell out of a window? When was she in Russia?
She shot herself seven times in the back and then threw herself out of a window
The other comments be like, "this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn't murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered."
Right? If I'm ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I'm not suicidal, it's because I want people to look into it if I die. It's stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?
I swear to Christ, I think it'll take a dead-man's switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances... "I think someone's going to kill me, if it happens, here's $30K to ensure that something's done about it. Don't accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don't say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice."
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer. I understand people can change in five years, often do not share their suicidal ideation but she was a bright woman who understood the weight of her position, if nothing else it’s shady and needs to be looked into just to confirm.
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She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.
Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I'll start by saying dialysis isn't fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.
That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn't been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.
Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.
With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I'm sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.
Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there's an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.
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I could sure go for some optimism right now.
Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.
If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?
Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company's hands.
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Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.
That doesn't rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.
And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.
Either way it's a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.
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Don't forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.
Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?
Most conspiracy theories have at least some truth, with the rest being assumptions based on things proven true. Is Jeffery Epstein an agent of a shadowy super organization that spent decades collecting evidence of rich and powerful men abusing children to keep them under control?
Maybe. Parts of that are undeniably true, and the rest of that also happened separately(see finders cult). You'd be a conspiracy theorist to combine the two though, especially if you were to present this information in 2003, despite both things still being true then.
As far as your actual point; whistle blower have "committed suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head, dislocating their joints, and shoving themselves post mortem into a duffle bag in a ny apartment. (See CIA whistle blowers, NYPD whistleblowers.) Its not crazy to assume someone that took on someone powerful was killed and was made to look suicidal, that's literally something that has happened thousands of times in the last 5 decades. As to why, it's easier. It stops official investigations. Its over with and must people will assume it is true and anyone that questions it will be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
One of the biggest successes of the Conservative Propaganda Machine is that while sowing insane conspiracy theories, they have simultaneously made people dismiss conspiracy theories in general. That allows them to get away with ACTUAL conspiracies, and silence critics by disparaging them for spreading "conspiracy theories."
Some conspiracies do exist, and those who are part of them ALWAYS deny them.
People already dismissed conspiracy theories in general. I'm old enough to remember a time when conspiracism was a fringe belief system back in the 90's and 2000's when I was a kid.
The right-wing infosphere has normalized conspiracism. Fox News got people to believe there was a conspiracy where there was none so the Republicans could enact the equivalent of a conspiracy in broad daylight. TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, is the go to accusation for the MAGA movement against their opposition. Calling people conspiracy theorists would probably cause a bit of cognitive dissonance for Republican voters.
Some conspiracies do exist, and those who are part of them ALWAYS deny them.
All kinds of people deny conspiracy theories usually because of the lack of evidence and attempts at grifting. Trump never denies involvement in Jan 6th, he mostly lies about the nature of the attack on the capital. He intentionally mischaracterizes the attack as peaceful despite the deaths.
Iran-Contra was an actual conspiracy, and it truly happened. I once explained it to someone younger who had never heard of it, and when I was finished explaining they asked "Did that really happen?"
How long ago was that? If you did that to someone younger now, who hasn't heard of it, they would probably believe you without asking if it was real. The fact Iran-Contra is real is neither here nor there. What's changed is how people engage with conspiracy theories. We should want people to think critically and ask for evidence.
I'm going to fast forward through the fact that the entirety of the above comment was full of nothing but baseless conspiracy theories pretending that they aren't conspiracy theories and that some other conspiracy theories are the actual conspiracy theories. Own it.
I'm fast forwarding because the comment has completely missed my argument's actual point.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
My argument's position is not that governments couldn't do this in theory. My argument's position is that they have no reason to do this in practice. They don't need to make our deaths look like suicides to kill us. They can kill us.
They can kill us and lose no support whatsoever in a fair and free election. And it's way easier than covering it up, because they can use the investigations as a talking point in their rallies without the downside of consequences because there are no consequences. The people still think it's true because they are trapped in information silos. And they all accuse everyone else of having TDS, Trump derangement syndrome. edit: typos
It has not been that way for that long though. They used to lose support if they openly killed people in the streets.
Has Putin lost any support for all the defenestration and underwear poisoning? People used to think dictators would lose support if dictators killed people in the street. The truth is if you control the narrative you can get away with killing people and if you don't you can't get away with doing nothing wrong.
Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is "someone else's job". These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
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Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.
West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."
Right now, I'll go with "non-consensual assisted suicide"
A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That's almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.
A made-up car crash as even her parents revealed later. Girl was obviously not in her right mind (and probably rightfully so, considering what she went through)
Rest in Power. Andrew and Co are sick fucks.
The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce
As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn't do anything?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075
Some would say she got the Princess Di treatment
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