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Originally this was a reply to this article about a Windows feature called Recall, but there's a good argument the author's concerns resonate far beyond Windows and Meta to proprietary generally.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

One should be have been assuming since Windows 7 and automated online updates that the Microsoft key used to sign OS updates is in the hands of at least the NSA (and hence probably the Israeli equivalent) and they can push whatever they want to your computer as an OS update, bypassing all protections.

In fact the same applies to Linux updates of certain distros - if they're maintained by a company based in the US they can be forced by FISA courts to provide the signing keys to the US Government.

More in general, just go read about FISA courts and their secret court orders - companies based in the US or hosting things in the US can be secretly forced to just "give the keys of the Realm" to parts of the US Government.

Since things like the Patriot act one should be treating companies based in the US as just as untrustworthy as companies based in China.

(By the way, some other supposed Democratic countries have similar or worse systems - for example the equivalent of FISA courts in the UK have things like secret court sessions were the side which is not the State is not authorized to have a legal representation, see most of the evidence or even know the decision of the court).

Have people already forgot most of what came out in the Snowden Revelations?!

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Would stuff like Fedora be in danger, in this case? I couldn't find if Red Hat was US based

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

In theory yes since they're essentially sponsored by RedHat. (RedHat is owned by IBM)

Which is funny because the Snowden leaks actually showed the NSA likes using Fedora for their fancy spy tech lol.

I guess a good alternative would be OpenSUSE.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

Yep... Snowden, Chelsea* Manning, Assange and an older whistleblower who died recently but I forgot his name... They also forgot what Cambridge Analytica was about. They just need to throw some bread and games at us and we go one living as nothing ever happend.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Chelsea* Manning

But, yeah, most people just do not care if they are spied on because they don't think it will be used for anything besides advertising. Trump is going to wake a lot of people up to the immense power we've handed over to our tech overlords.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Chelsea Manning

Fuck is wrong with you

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[–] bipedalsheep@programming.dev 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I switched from Fedora to openSUSE recently and it has been painless. Would recommend to anyone who are looking to get away from US companies and US jurisdiction. Edit: note that it uses RPM package manager though, I don't know yet if that is problematic or not. If someone knows then please elaborate on that.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Tumbleweed or Leap or something else?

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Most likely Tumbleweed. As it is the most modern of them. Because it is rolling.

[–] bipedalsheep@programming.dev 6 points 16 hours ago

Correct, Tumbleweed is the one I started using.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As a long time debian user, I have my eyes on Leap. I value stability (in the unchanging functionality sense) over latest versions.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

For me Tumbleweed is rock solid even though it is rolling. But if you don't like subtle changes it might not be fore you.

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[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 30 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

To all the people who are criticising this guy for working for Meta, I would like to remind you of the phrase, "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer".

I am very much a left-winger, but I still read right-wing papers and articles, I like to know what the other side is thinking.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Less criticism and more pity.

Sheryl Sandberg seems like a Grade A asshole to work for - possibly the only woman CEO I've ever heard of getting #MeToo'd. Zuckerberg is an absolute baby-brain completely up his own asshole with delusions of grandeur, outright comparing himself to Roman Emperors.

But if you get into the tell-all released by Sarah Wynn-Williams, all you really take away from it is that this company is as corrosive to the body public as it is ravenous for economic expansion. There's no "keeping close" that's going to be good for you in the long run. Might as well try to keep a rabid dog on a short leash.

I am very much a left-winger, but I still read right-wing papers and articles, I like to know what the other side is thinking.

I'm not above peaking in on Citations Needed or QAnon Anonymous to see how the other side lives. But the actual right-wing material itself is really ugly stuff, particularly in the modern moment. When it isn't nakedly xenophobic or Mean Girls callously cruel, its just pumping your eyeballs and ear holes full of the dumbest fucking advertisements imaginable.

Not good to ingest that stuff.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 13 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

What does linux need to try?

[–] foiledAgain@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

To stop overachieving

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[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 11 points 18 hours ago

Was considering migrating from Fedora and getting a MacBook, but this is making me reconsider.

[–] tiny_hedgehog@lemm.ee 12 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I use Ubuntu. Can someone tell me if that’s “independent and outside US jurisdiction”? I know it’s made/maintained by canonical.

What are some Linux distros that we should avoid? What are some that are independent?

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Debian is a community distro. Ubuntu is downstream of it.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 116 points 1 day ago (8 children)

It's funny how they're saying "You need to use Linux" and not "You need to get off Facebook". How's Linux going to save you from Facebook spying on you?

[–] ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the be careful what you do on Facebook is implied. He's highlighting something that's less expected, where you may need to be careful what you do on Windows systems.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago

FUCK YEAH, YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

I want to get into Linux and I need a new laptop. I'm happy to go secondhand but I actually want a half decent thing that can play some games, not the cheapest box I can put Linux on and use fake word.

Am I best off just buying a new windows laptop than I can dual boot? Or any other suggestions?

Windows is US$ 139.00. So I figured if I buy a laptop without windows it will be 139 less but I guess manufacturers get windows for like $20 so there are no saving anyway.

Edit:should probably add I'm from to UK I that's relevant

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago

There are a lot of options if you're experienced with Linux and know how to get things to work/are willing to do research. However, if you are new, then you should definitely play it safe to avoid frustration.

My current laptop is an Asus PX13, which is an awesome value and probably the most powerful machine you can buy at its size. Unfortunately, Asus does not support Linux on its laptops at all, and any support that exists comes from volunteers. I'm very happy with my current setup, but there are some rough edges that come from the lack of official support.

[–] skeesx@lemm.ee 9 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, at least Lenovo Linux laptops are 140$ cheaper.

Take a look at Framework, or System76 for Linux first hardware.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 2 points 11 hours ago

Thank you. I didnt know about lenovo so that's good to know.

System76 seems especially out of my price range. I haven't bought a computer for 12 years, can't believe laptop's cost more now (even accounting for inflation) than they did back then. It's unbelievable. Might have to work out if I want a good one to last a long time (which is risky) or to get a cheaper one and expect to replace earlier.

By thank you that is helpful.

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[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 218 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

"im a henchman for a bad guy....and lemme tell you...I think we might be starting to do bad stuff...not sure yet..."

Thanks bud

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

Hey now, he didn't say he was working close with Trump, he said he was working closing with Trump.

I'm sure there's a distinct difference.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, not everyone has a choice in who they work for in end-stage-capitalism. Work is about survival, not ideology. The majority of Americans are not far-right capitalists, but the vast majority of CEOs are, and it's not really possible to survive long enough to start a small business in most of the US without investment from a far-right capitalist or inheritance (usually also from a far-right capitalist family member).

[–] ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

If you have the skillset and CV to work at Meta, you have a choice to work somewhere slightly lower on the scale of exploitation.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, look around. Most of us are way, WAY past the "We're all in this together! We can do it if we try!" method of living and have been operating in survival mode for the past 5 years. And can you blame them? The flood waters are rising and people are wanting to make sure they have a life raft. If that means working for evil people/companies, then so be it. It's not like working somewhere else will stop or slow the flood. Morals are nice, but they won't keep you afloat.

[–] ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Yes morals won't keep you afloat. But FAANG, military defense contractors, and the other most terrible industries waaaay overpay on cost of living, and other industries are also looking to compensate well for expertise (minus some compensation for all the exploitation you wouldn't be contributing to).

What you're describing is the development of a paranoid conservative mindset in response to traumatic global events. This is how my conservative Fox News brainrot parents describe the world, and they are the type to own guns because they're deathly afraid of home intruders even though their city's crime index is among the best in the country.

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[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 106 points 1 day ago (12 children)

At some point we need to start welcoming people to the Light, instead of demonizing them for having been in the Dark. It's pretty difficult for me not to dunk on people as they wake up to the nightmare that they voted for, but a lot them ARE actually otherwise decent folks. Making America Great is going to involve deprogramming a lot of people.

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