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Luigi Mangione

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Let's say that Mangione committed the crime.

My understanding is that he gave cops a fake ID when they questioned him on reasonable suspicion (the basis of which was a tip from an employee). That is something that yes, he can be arrested for. And he can be personally searched after that arrest. But at that point, he can no longer get a gun out of his bag, and cops have control of it, so he can't destroy evidence/get a weapon from it; so searching the bag should be out at that time. So, my understanding, based on case law, is that they would have needed a warrant to search it at that time, as the contents of the bag aren't related to the reason he's been arrested. You aren't supposed to be able to use a pretextural arrest to search a person's car or belongings (e.g., arrest you for suspicion of drunk driving, then search your car to find evidence of burglaries).

In theory, without the warrant, the search and everything from the search should be out. Even if he committed the crime, and kept all the evidence conveniently in his backpack, it should be completely excluded from the case. I'm sure that the DA is going to argue that there's some exception that allows a warrantless search, but I can't say what that argument will be. If the evidence is allowed in, his defense attorney is going to have to object every single time that prosecutors refer to it, for any reason, in order to preserve the option to claim that evidence was improperly admitted in an appeal. (Which they should absolutely do, if it goes that far!)

Federal rules of evidence is pretty complicated stuff. But goddamn, does it look like someone fucked up bad on a really high profile case.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Even if he committed the crime, and kept all the evidence conveniently in his backpack

Yeah, he conveniently carried around a disposable weapon used in a murder that he was wanted for, instead of disposing of it. Also he conveniently wrote a manifesto related to the murder and carried that around in his backpack as well.

Nothing suspicious here. Move along.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not a manifesto. Manifestos are published by the author. We have no way of knowing who authored that police officer's fever dream, but since the police published it, it wasn't written by Luigi. Also the language and grammar are consistent with the lack of education that cops receive, not the level of education that Luigi received.

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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 84 points 2 days ago

I love the smell of "Reasonable Doubt" in the morning

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It doesn't matter whether he did or did not do it just like it won't matter what evidence does or does not exist.

An example to be made was chosen, and it will be made.

The only question at this point is how will we react to that example.

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[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago

Leave it to the NYPD to find the guy who did it regardless of who actually did it

[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You know it's a sham the question is, what are you gonna do? you're the people with access to guns... me here in Europe I gotta fight with literal sticks and stones

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[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's like the dumbest and laziest people set out to frame this guy

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago

So the cops that qoute "just knew" they had the right guy by looking at him also planted key evidence?

So convenient that your suspect doesn't bother hiding key evidence and that you get a hunch that is right on point...

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