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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 48 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (8 children)

And let's not forget. Tens of millions of magas, having witnessed the past few months, would vote him in again tomorrow if we gave them a do-over.

As furious as I am at the oligarchs taking over every last thing, evil greedy bastards gonna evil greedy bastard.

That anger pales in comparison to my rage at the tens of millions of my countrymen who dragged the rest of us into this fucking hellscape with them for no reasons beyond:

-Ignorance

-Hate

The ratio of those varies from maga voter to maga voter, but IME those are pretty much the only two reasons I see for why they have condemened not only themselves but also the entire rest of the nation to life in this emerging dystopia. They've already killed people in this country with their vote, and the numbers will only go up.

Yet somehow we all still have to go to work and get along every day, but I truly don't care if I never see or speak to a single Trump voter ever again, and that includes so-called friends and family members. They are all dead to me, or as dead as familial and work obligations will allow. Every last one can choke on a bag of dicks and razor blades as far as I care.

Edit - I beg you, random silent downvoter, to explain to me where I've gone wrong in the above.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You summarize it perfectly. I am so disheartened by my fellow countrymen. So put off that I left the country and have no intention of ever returning there to live. When I see someone like Klepper interview maga, it is always driven home just how absolutely stupid and ignorant maga are. It's really no wonder he got elected again. trump is indeed the symptom not the disease. I think the Leopards Ate My Face communities do a grave injustice because I see such communities giving people the false impresssion that maga is "realizing" something. That couldn't be further from the truth. Many of my progressive friends are stuck in the "surely they're all waking up", "surely he wouldn't try to do that", "surely he wouldn't get elected again" cycle.

I believe there is a third reason in addition to ignorance and hate: tribalism. whether it's their religious tribe, or racial tribe, or sexuality tribe, conservatives tend to embrace tribalism more than anyone else. To them there are in groups and out groups. In groups that the law protects but does not bind, and out groups that the law binds but does not protect.

Ignorance, tribalism, hate, xenophobia, intolerance have always been able to take root in the minds of the weak. But when the oligarchs realized that the ignoranti could be a powerful tool, they became a product. Those millions of maga people you mention have been and are groomed continually to be tools for enabling the transfer of wealth. They are groomed with fear, misinformation, manipulation, appeals to tribalism, and appeals to uncertainty. They are groomed so effectively that they groom themselves and their own children.

[–] Securus777@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Where'd ya go? Were looking to do the same.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

It's called false consciousness. The workers are socialized through media, religion, and other social institutions, to identify with and support the ruling class. You see this in the way they adore Elmo Skum. I've known IT workers who bragged about the fancy car they basically bought for their manager.

Yes, it's a Marxist perspective. But Marx wasn't wrong.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Can't trust the random public anymore. It's a real shame. There has been a massive shift in my perception of these people.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

They'd just blame the system and the party for the choice they chose to make. Chicken shits.

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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 19 points 20 hours ago

Considering the entire history of the US is one big upwards transfer of wealth, that is really saying something.

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 15 hours ago

Wait, didn't you guys just do this last year?

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

That's what they said about his last tax bill.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 16 hours ago

And it was true then too

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 11 points 17 hours ago

The largest upward transfer of wealth so far...

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

I really want this to be it. I want a big enough mass of freak conservative boomers to die off of old age and for the republicans to finally push everyone else hard enough that this country finally fucking snaps and swings left so hard that Reagan's grave belches black smoke for a month. I hope we swing left so hard that all the Fox News assholes run bawling off to Russia, all the neoliberal dickheads move to their neoliberal paradise of [some offshore oil rig], and we end up fixing all kinds of shit that's been broken for basically my entire life.

I know it won't; we'll just get a bunch of working class republicans standing around the wreckage and mumbling "can you imagine how much worse it would have been under Biden?" to each other.

[–] captainWhatsHisName@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently young people aren’t going to save us. Young men are farther right than the previous generation. Boomers aren’t listening to Joe Rogan.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Idk, it's easy to get depressed about it, but I think that there's another interpretation. It shows that Gen Z recognizes how fucked everything is, and recognize the urgent need for drastic change, which is what Donald promises, even if he's a colossal piece of shit and the changes he promises are pure grift. Yeah, they've been taken in by the right, but only because the right has seized on the populist moment while the institutional left is still fretting about decorum, rank, seniority, process, and literally anything else before results. If the left gets out there and starts swinging for the fences, I think we can turn things around. So, of course, the democrats are preparing to rise to the occasion by offering Gavin Newsom and his plan to build the biggest bulldozers on earth for bulldozing the homeless.

I think this is part of why Bernie was yelling at people to run for office. We need more options, more people who are willing to turn their back on the establishment, on the left.

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[–] Sunschein@lemmy.world 188 points 1 day ago (16 children)

And it's behind a paywall. Chef's kiss.

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