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A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

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[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

For no reason?

They are running proprietary software in the car that people don't even know what is happening in background of. Every electric car needs to be turned into an open source car so that the car cannot be tampered with, no surveillancing, etc etc

Everyone should advocate for that because the alternative is this with Tesla. And I know nobody wants this happening to other car manufacturers cars as well

[–] sickofit@lemmy.today 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This represents the danger of expecting driver override to avoid accidents. If the driver has to be prepared enough to take control in an accident like this AT ALL TIMES, then the driver is required to be more engaged then they would be if they were just driving manually, because they have to be constantly anticipating not just what other hazards (drivers, pedestrians,…) might be doing, they have to be anticipating in what ways their own vehicle may be trying to kill them.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Absolutely.

I've got a car with level 2 automation, and after using it for a few months, I can say that it works really well, but you still need to be engaged to drive the car.

What it is good at... Maintaining lanes, even in tricky situation with poor paint/markings. Maintaining speed and distance from the car in front of you.

What it is not good at... Tricky traffic, congestion, or sudden stops. Lang changes. Accounting for cars coming up behind you. Avoiding road hazards.

I use it mostly like an autopilot. The car takes some of the monotonous workload out of driving, which allows me to move my focus from driving the car to observing traffic, other drivers, and road conditions.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week

That's because it won't, that's because Elmo musk is gasp a liar. Always has been. That robo taxi is actuyab older lie he used a couple of years prior, but he dusted it lfft and re-used it.

Anytime Elmo says that he's confident they can do it now, he means that they're nowhere near a real product. Anytime he says "next year" it means that it won't ever happen. Anytime he says that they alrethave a product, it just needs to me produced, it means that it'll never happy

He is a vaporware con man who has been cheating people (and mostly the US government) out of billions

Literally look at all of his promises over the last decade, you start seeing patterns. It's always almost there.

SpaceX, arguay his most successful company that he actually did with his leadership is a shit show of lies. According to him we'd be having colonies on Mars by now, it's what he took 3 billion dollars in funding for, and he literally isn't at 1% of that. Yet, he keeps claiming, within a few years now! Three billion dollars and he managed to blow up a banana over the Indian ocean, and obliterate a launch pad

If I commit fraud in the thousands, take thousands and then don't deliver, I go to jail. He does it with countless billions and he's still out there. Bit alas, his behavior finally is catching up with him, Tesla is going off a cliff bow that nobody wants to drive a Nazi brick anymore

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If it was open source tech people could check it and see if it really is capable for themselves but because it's not we don't know what it is missing to be way way better

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

Nah, on the 5 levels of autonomous driving, telsas as at level 2

Elmo isn't even close but that wint stip him from just lying about it because that is what Elmo does best

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Elon took the wheel because that person made a mean tweet about him

The problem with automation is complacency. Especially in something that people already have a very hard time taking seriously like driving where cell phone distraction, conversations, or just zoning out is super common.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (32 children)

The car made a fatal decision faster than any human could possibly correct it. Tesla’s idea that drivers can “supervise” these systems is, at this point, nothing more than a legal loophole.

What I don't get is how this false advertising for years hasn't caused Tesla bankruptcy already?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because the US is an insane country where you can straight up just break the law and as long as you're rich enough you don't even get a slap on the wrist. If some small startup had done the same thing they'd have been shut down.

What I don't get is why teslas aren't banned all over the world for being so fundamentally unsafe.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

What I don’t get is why teslas aren’t banned all over the world for being so fundamentally unsafe.

I've argued this point the past year, there are obvious safety problems with Tesla, even without considering FSD.
Like blinker on the steering wheel, manual door handles that are hard to find in emergencies, and distractions from common operations being behind menus on the screen, instead of having directly accessible buttons. With auto pilot they also tend to break for no reason, even on autobahn with clear road ahead! Which can also create dangerous situations.

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[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kill me” it said in a robotic voice that got slower, glitchier, and deeper as it drove off the road.

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

EXTERMINAAAAAATE!!!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world -4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It’s ready, but you’re assuming an entirely general taxi service. It will be carefully constrained like Wayno was. It will be limited to easy streets and times, probably lower speeds, where there is less chance of problems. It’s ready for that.

There’s always a reason. I agree with the author: most likely it misinterpreted a shadow as a solid obstacle. I’m not excusing it but humans do that too, and Tesla will likely ensure it doesn’t come up in their taxi service.

Remember that robotaxi doesn’t actually exist yet. I’m pretty sure the plan is to start with Model Y having human safety drivers. it’s ready for that

I did a trial to find out for myself and my reason for it not being ready yet is a bit different. Full self-driving did perfectly under “normal” conditions, and every time it made me nervous was an edge case. However it made me realize driving is all edge cases. It’s not ready and may never be

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 101 points 2 days ago (12 children)

The worst part is that this problem has already been solved by using LIDAR. Vegas had fully self-driving cars that I saw perform flawlessly, because they were manufactured by a company that doesn’t skimp on tech and rip people off.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/waymo-recalls-1200-robotaxis-after-cars-crash-into-chains-gates-and-utility-poles/ar-AA1EMVTF

NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.

It'd probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.

Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn't mean it always is working perfectly.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
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