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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 70 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 15 points 6 days ago

Well said, I had the exact same thought experience, and I am at the exact same conclusion.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 82 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.

And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (7 children)

She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.

The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.

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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That's how US politics works

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.

She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.

  • I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.

Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”

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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 47 points 6 days ago

He is 100% right like always

[–] twinkbobdylan@pawb.social 51 points 6 days ago (3 children)

i wish bernie won in 2016 :(

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know Gore won in 2000, we just gloss over the theft and the nazis scream about rigged elections because every accusation is a confession.

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[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I see a lot of these postmortems and I don't know what combination of them is the actual truth, but I wasn't the slightest bit surprised when she lost. As soon as she got the nomination I thought it was likely.

For what it's worth, here is my take on her as one Californian that's had to deal with her since before 2010 when she ran for attorney general:

  • Even before she ran for attorney general, I was constantly hearing about all kinds of awful stuff the SF district attorney's office was doing under her leadership even though I'm not from SF county.
  • I was very disappointed when she got the nomination for attorney general because I didn't want her policies applied statewide. I voted against her in the primary but of course I held my nose and voted for her over the R in the general.
  • I don't recall who I voted for in the 2016 primary for Senate but it wasn't her, or blue dog Sanchez. I think I barely tilted toward Sanchez in the general but I honestly can't remember. I was so disappointed in those choices that I didn't really give a shit. I thought we could do better in California than two conserva-dems, especially with the top-2 primary system.
  • Never even considered voting for that cop in a presidential primary.
  • Didn't like that she was the bottom of the ticket in 2020 especially considering Biden's age, but the alternative was clear.
  • Of course, due to the alternative I voted for her in 2024 but without one iota of enthusiasm. I think I may have been more enthused to vote for John fucking Kerry, but that was a long time ago, it's hard to remember my feelings for a block of wood.

A small silver lining to her losing is I'll never have to hold my nose and vote for her ever again.

She lost because she just sucks. Whether an individual's reason for thinking she sucks and not being excited about her was based on misogyny, racism, her record of public service, her policy goals, or her personality doesn't matter. I didn't know anybody excited to vote for her. I knew some people excited to vote for a WOC, but not her as a person. A little enthusiasm was what was needed to turn the tide in the three states that mattered this time.

As soon as Biden dropped out too late for an actual primary, we already lost.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.

[–] ganryuzt@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh I fully agree, I almost didn't vote for her, she sucked ALL the hope out of her campaign, she had SO MUCH MOMENTUM, all she had to do was keep constantly showing up on the press to point out how incompetent Trump was and clearly appear competent. All she had to do was keep putting out positive messages about protecting rights and returning the country to normal and not insane racist hate land and it would have been a slam dunk. Coming up with ''well.. I am totally willing to meet genocide in the middle, if that's important to you'' was an insane gut punch.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn't swing a landslide.

[–] jmf@lemm.ee 47 points 6 days ago

Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 28 points 1 week ago (12 children)

She failed to differentiate herself from biden in many different ways. One of which was her stance on genocide. Less people generally came out and voted for her in part due to these factors

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 30 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Lol Americans didn't stay home for gaza, most Americans didn't give a shit about that.

It was always about the cost of living. The average Democratic voter mindset is: "I voted Biden last time and nothing changed except food got more expensive, why bother voting"

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[–] RiceBowl@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A few posts down in my feed is a photo of children zip tied in immigration court and it is fucking disgusting. There would be other problems in a Harris admin. But maybe we wouldn’t zip tie little kids.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Yes, the Democratic Party is more subtle in regard to their support for oligarchs and corruption. With exception to Senator Sanders, the old coots should fucking retire. The election loss proved the AmeriKans are sucking down the Orange Kool-Aid and want the US Constitution to burn.

[–] whaleiam@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

And wow Bernie is right again.

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