Not being allowed to merge chats with third-party tools is fucking stupid. No matter what changes Twitch makes that are positive they always put some fucking ridiculous caveat on it.
this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2023
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Twitch is trash. Everywhere I've been, 1080p isn't stable. As soon as I switch over to youtube, 1080p works fine. And their stupid "loading stream UwU" screen when loading it on another page is just annoying.
It also misses the absolutely basic feature or scrubbing - I can't rewind or click back to a previous point in the stream - no. For that, the stream has to have recording activated, then you need to know of /videos on the streamer's page, and finally you can open the "recording". And because it's a recording, you can't "go to live". It jumps back to the very beginning of the stream when it gets to the end "end of the recording", which is whenever you opened it --> opened it 1 hour ago? Once it hits that point again, (no, not live - 1hour but live - 2 hours), it reloads and now you have to remember that it was live - 2 hours.
It's just shit.
There's no excuse for it being that bad either. The parent company literally runs one of the biggest cloud/CDNs in the world (AWS).
Well, the primary focus of the platform is the fact that it's meant to be live, not on-demand. Everything else takes a backseat.
I replay stuff all the time. Especially during live tournaments and a caster missed something, I scrub back to the point, watch it at a different speed, then hit live again. Or if I go to the loo and don't want to miss an important fight, pause, loo, scrub back a little to the beginning of the fight, then hit live.
It's so basic. Any tournament organiser that's twitch exclusive, I don't watch and just wait for the highlights.
I get that, because I'm the same way with my media consumption. But that just means that Twitch isn't for you. There's a whole market of people who appreciate the fact that if you missed something, you missed it for good, and that's the primary audience Twitch is meant to serve.
You're right. It's why I don't use Twitch much.
YouTube streams are so good. Google really has the video streaming tech stack nailed
Yep, Twitch isn't for me because YouTube has these braindead basic features already.
I watch a lot of twitch, probably more than I should honestly, and while the platform has problems it's really not that bad. I rarely ever have issues with 1080p streams, honestly basically never. They don't really ever buffer or stutter at all. So I don't know where that issue is coming from for you. I can watch multiple 1080p60 streams in parallel just fine. Typically watching multiple perspectives of the same game, none of them buffer.
As for the usability issues you mentioned to switch from live to vod, and back, that's kinda fair. I also don't think it's all that bad, but it is somewhat inconvenient. You don't need to type in '/videos' though as you seem to suggest, you can just click on the channel name, then the videos-tab is right there that contains all 'past broadcasts'.
What the platform does right is discoverability and user interaction. If I wanted to watch live gameplay of some game, and I went to YouTube, I wouldn't even know how to find streams of it at all. Also when following someone on twitch, I can be informed that he's going live (notification or even mail), wifi im pretty sure it's impossible on YouTube. User interaction is also just not there. I really wish other platforms were viable, cause competition eventually causes everyone to just do better, but nobody else seems to even tryn to take a share of their market...
It's as easy to find live games on YouTube as it is to find videos on Twitch. You type the game name and at the top click the "live" tab. If you subscribe to a user who goes live and you've enabled notifications (the bell) it alerts you when they go live. It's really simple.
I'm subscribed to quite a few channels. The problem with the notifications is that I can't distinguish between notifications for live streams or those for videos or Community posts. The only notifications I would care about are for live streams, as hose happen "now", I can watch videos why time. I don't wanna be spammed with all the notifications for normal videos, while I still want them in my notification bell menu on the site (so notifications need to be on for the channels).
YouTube can do videos and live streams, but it doesn't let me distinguish between these fundamentally different things in a meaningful way.
Yeah it’s pretty stupid, I only watch twitch these days using streamlink + mpv so I can replay whenever I want, but only since the point it started loading. Plus you get less delay than the web with the —twitch-low-latency option.
I thought that was allowed like a year or so ago. But I guess when they forbid it, it turned out to make less profit, so now they are back to before.
affiliates had an exclusivity contract for new content e.g. you could only stream on Twitch but could upload the vod to YouTube. Earlier in the year they changed the rules slightly to allow simultaneous live streaming to mobile platforms e.g. TikTok. Seems like they’ve expanded it again now that they’ve realised exclusivity was hurting discoverability
I know Critical Role didn't have that rule in their contract, especially since they bring so much to the platform.
Linus Tech tips also had a special unique to them contract since they had been simulhosting since the early early days of twitch.
I'm pretty Linus has said on the wan show before that they intentionally didn't partner with twitch because of this and that's why they've always simulcasted. It may have changed since though.
Yeah, they got one of the earliest contracts. Twitch also tried to get LTT to switch to a new contract at least once, but got rejected lmao.
Partners are allowed to negotiate their contracts with Twitch. Affiliates can’t.
They did have that rule in their contract for a long time. The earlier episodes were streamed by Geek And Sundry which bargained for an exclusion, which applied to all of Geek And Sundry. Critical Role, once independent of Geek And Sundry, had to negotiate a new contract and it took around a year iirc.
If you weren’t an affiliate or partner (the only way to monetize through twitch itself) you could stream on other platforms
Makes sense from Twitch's perspective. A few streamers signed non-exclusive contracts to stream on other sites. Twitch's old policy was preventing those streamers from also streaming on Twitch at the same time, so they were losing tons of views. Now they get those people back.
Lol I didn't know I couldn't simultaneously stream. I'm not really a "streamer" but I did stream in the past using multi streaming tools to a bunch of different platforms simultaneously.
I'm pretty sure this only concerns twitch affiliates. Multistreaming was always allowed for non-affiliates.
That makes sense
Ok cool, but they've done this once before, for all of a few weeks. Hopefully this time they don't reneg or impose specific conditions.
Now, can we please have a better codec for twitch? Sure I have NVENC now, but eventually Im going to have AMD card, and I want good codec support on Linux.
EDIT: looks like there is a condition: no chat merging... Really?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Big names like xQc, Amouranth, and Nickmercs have signed major deals with Twitch competitor Kick this year; xQc’s and Nickmercs’ deals are non-exclusive, and given that Amouranth has a video on her Twitch account from a couple months ago, it seems hers is non-exclusive, too.
(He dined with Twitch CEO Dan Clancy earlier this month and seems pleased with Friday’s news.)
“To further protect our streamers, we’re adding doxxing and swatting to the list of Off-Service Conduct behaviors we will enforce against,” the company says (emphasis Twitch’s), and the changes are in effect as of Friday.
Guest Star, which lets streamers host co-streams with others, will now be named Stream Together and will be getting features like the ability to merge chats.
Twitch says a version of its TikTok-style Discovery Feed that surfaces live channels is in testing.
And Twitch’s own alerts system for notifications like subscribers and Bits donations will “soon” support a streamer’s custom animated emotes.
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(He dined with Twitch CEO Dan Clancy earlier this month and seems pleased with Friday's news.)
Who did???
He did.
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