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the mistake is listening to MSM which are captured by conservative owners.
It’s pretty important to watch your opponents if you are a politically engaged person
So if I understand this angle, boomers screwed things up on their own but newer gens have just been duped by mainstream media. Ok got it!
There's more truth to this than there was to the wmds thing, we know Iran has enriched uranium up to 65% which is way more than you need for nuclesr power and only a bit short of the threshold for bombs.
But it's also entirely Trump and Israels fault in the first place, Iran were complying with Obamas nuclear deal then Israel convinced Trump to stop honouring it so Iran rightly did the same. It's a problem they created in order to have an excuse to attack Iran.
I wouldn’t believe anything Israel is saying about this.
Israel is full of shit, Netanyahu has been saying Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb for literally 30 years.
That figure is from the IAEA, not Israel. Also it's actually 60% and I misremembered.
I don’t want anyone to have nuclear weapons but I can see why it’s in Iran’s best interest to acquire them.
United States and Israel are literally arguing that by assassinating scientists and Iranian leaders, that Iran will be more likely to come to the negotiating table.
Maybe that’s why Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th, so Israel would be more likely to negotiate?
Yeah I'm not defending israels illegal actions, just sayings it's at least based on something real unlike the fake wmds
Israel is the one who gave us the false intelligence about Iraq having wmds. I imagine this is a repeat of that. But we do know that Iran uses uranium for electricity.
60% enriched is way more than you need to generate electricity.
So? Is it really that bad if Iran has nukes? It's not like they'd be the only one's in the region with them. Obviously it would be better if nobody had them, but in a MAD world, it's just deterrence.
I’m definitely worried about Israel having them. They are committing a genocide and calling it self defense.
Yes, it only takes 1 stupid dictator to use one to fuck over everyone. Like as much as I hate Israel existing as a state, I dint want them to get nuked, and there is a very non-zero chance that they would use them on Israel. Then Trump/bibi might want to retaliate against Iran and at that point fucking anything could happen, the cats out of the bag at that point, Russia might justify there use in ukrain, if Israel survives it could use them on their unfriendly neighbours in """"self defence"""", and things just escalate and escalate until we're all dead.
Ok, but there's also a very non-zero chance Israel presses the button first. Like I said, nobody should have them but since we're not living in that world, the next best thing is deterrence.
Ok, but there’s also a very non-zero chance Israel presses the button first.
Yeah, but that's ok because it's not an atrocity when they do it.
And WMDs were my generation's Gulf of Tonkin incident, and another generation's USS Maine.
There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest—why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs. They were enemies who only waited to fall on the Roman people.
- Joseph Schumpeter
Nothing new, the MSM has always been the propaganda mouthpiece for the gov't and the war machine. Look for independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
independent reporters, substack and the like, for real news.
But they don't hand out branded tote bags that I can take to brunch to let the gals know I donated.....
Also they are so negative all the time!
Democracy Now!, TYT, Breaking Points, etc... you'll get some differing opinions at times, but way more truth than MSM.
Idk about tyt anymore
My first thought before checking other people's takes in the Internet is that we (USA) were just acting like it took us by surprise, but it was actually planned because we want to crush the Muslim state, and this is the best opportunity we've seen to move forward with that. We immediately defended Israel against Iran's retaliatory barrage.
I admittedly know shit about foreign policy but just assume we do things that any racist christian nationalists might do, and that's one. I'm not supporting Iran here; just trying to make sense of it. Religion poisons everything.
They'll be really upset when they realize young people wont sign up to fight another oil war for a country that is actively enslaving them.
They don't need to. They already have the largest volunteer army in the world that is compelled to fight else risk losing economic incentives and/or job opportunities back home. Not to mention all the nutjobs that will willingly go abroad to kill "for their country"
The youth won't save us. There's millions of people who grew up in conservative households believing that killing brown people is the (only) American Way.
And even so, lots of guys from the sticks who wound up in Iraq and Afghanistan signed up to the military in order to get a free ride, not because they had any particular ideological motivation other than having no opportunity in wherever it was they came from.
They got a free ride, alright. Straight out into the goddamned desert.
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Young people are not automatically good just because they are young. There are murderous fascist young people as well.
Oh, you mean how Israel was created in the first place? That's odd.
what's the excuse they're going with?
Iran was "days away" from getting a nuke.
They have been days away for over 30 years according to Netanyahu.
I'm in my 30s and there's literally video of Netanyahu saying Iran is "months away" from developing nuclear weapons from before I was born lmao
even if that were true, the principle of M.A.D. suggests that for maximal stability, opposing factions should have nukes. Iran not having nukes is too big of an advantage for Israel, even if nobody ever uses them.
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