Should also mention Nobara Linux (which is funnily enough based on Fedora) has Surface Linux patches baked into its kernel.
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Yeah it works- and has for quite a while. My SP3 ran Ubuntu fine back in the day, but it didn't save it from being an unservice-able piece of shit with failing hardware that overheated in 5 seconds flat.
I'm somehow really surprised by the linux community embracing the surface. It's a horrible piece of hardware. It's designed to be short lived. Hard to repair or upgrade. Limited connectivity. Etc. I've had user come back with their surface where the battery had pushed the screen out.
It's the best "laptop" I've ever owned. Overly expensive, but it's legitimately the first laptop I've had that hasn't died in a few years. It feels like Microsoft's response to the Mac-book.
It's exceptionally bad if one wishes to repair or upgrade, as you stated. Outside of that though - performance, reliability... it's been pretty good.
As I typed this I remembered that in the past year it's started hard locking seemingly at random requiring a full shutdown via holding the power button. So, not quite as consistent as a Mac-book.
I've supported over the last few years surface pro 4 and hp X2 G4. They are nightmarish devices. The surface pro had constant freeze issues where people had to force restart them, then after two years, the battery wouldn't last, but we couldn't change it, because I believe the screen was glued. We had also keyboard and touchpad issues.
Now the X2, same kind of system as the surface, but we have issues where machines become really, really hot. So hot that some have their heat sink burning the displays. We have issue where dust gets in between the display and webcam. Last but not least, your keyboard will die after two year of use, the small connector gets damaged bye folding the keyboard overtime. Making the machine unusable, overtime. Machines that are out of warranty can't have their keyboard replaced and new keyboard cost a fortune.
Now, if you take any professional grade laptop. Like a Lenovo T or some HP Elite book. You could keep machine in rotation for years after the warranty was over, we had 10+ years old laptop being used as loaner or for short assignments. Because we could upgrade the RAM, HDD->SSD, battery etc. Also don't get me started on the connector, a surface had 1 USB A one mini DP and a proprietary connector. The x2 3 usb-c port.
The surface are very expensive for what they offer.
IMO, hardware should be very important for the linux community, it must be as important as software!
Greetings from a Surface Book 2 running Fedora 38! Everything works nicely (dtx included), battery life is great. Switching from W10 to Linux on this machine was probably one of the best decisions I could make.
Fedora 38 is VERY good. Really cool distro. Same here, best decision was to install linux, it is so much snappier and smooth! P.S. cool GNOME extensions pack, looks beautiful!
The Microsoft ❤️ Linux image is a weird choice. WSL is neat but Microsoft will never support Linux on their hardware.
WSL does nothing to further the paradigm of Linux. WSL is a bandage for Windows to make it suck just a tiny bit less, and it generally fails miserably.
Back when I was having issues with the Linux desktop (2016-19), I used WSL to get access to Linux's useful tools. I was always on and off with Linux, mainly due to having components that don't work with it well (mainly to do with NVIDIA and Broadcom WiFi).
Now I'm full-on Linux. Only exception is Apple Music (virtual machine) or some gaming scenarios (dualboot). Stuff like mods that work better on Windows, or steering wheel games (I have a Logitech wheel that works so much better on Windows than Linux).
You don’t need an entire VM just for Apple Music! There’s an open source client for it available on Mac and Linux. They just dropped development, but it still works. https://github.com/ciderapp/Cider/releases/tag/v1.6.2
I have tried Cider before. It's a solid client, but there's some stuff that's still missing for me. I can live without lossless audio, but gapless playback when listening to albums is very important for me and Cider doesn't support it unfortunately.
It's actually pretty funny. Back around 2018 I bought an XPS13, being hailed as the golden standard of linux support on a laptop, and my buddy bought a Surface Pro (3 or 4, cant remember). With these patches, his machine not only ran better, but also had 4x the battery life, compared to my fully supported (on paper) machine
wwoohh. Awesome work from Surface side.
I highly recommend it! I've been running PopOS! On my Surface Pro 3 for years. It works perfectly, and functions extremely well with the form factor
I'm currently running EndeavorOS on my Surface Laptop 4. I'll admit it was a pain to get working right, especially since I have the amd model, but damn once it's working its so nice.
I've had nothing but issues with Microsoft hardware... Even excluding Xbox stuff, my SP4 had major issues with video corruption and hard freezes. Multiple RMA attempts came back defective or damaged, even the first party folio keyboard went bad. These were widespread defects and once warranty was up I was sol.
The only thing that somewhat extended its life before it went full spicy pillow was putting Linux Mint on it with some kernel patches.
Thank God this community exists, but I'll never buy another surface product as long as I live.
I guess I’m missing something, but I don’t understand buying a MS hardware product and then installing Linux, surely just buy a different product in the first place?
Same with people buying Google Pixel’s and then removing the stock Android. Isn’t the Pixel’s hardware rubbish, and the only reason to buy it the software?
I’m pro Linux, just not seeing the point of giving money to these companies and then installing Linux… I think some people do it with the Pixel as a protest, which makes little sense when they’ve given money to the company :/
Because some people purchase and use devices for practical purposes, not just ideological.
Perhaps the Surface hardware is the most practical for some people?
Also, Linux Surface is maintained for older devices, which will be useful when Windows 10 support ends.
Jup. Surface Pro: Very lightweight, solid, powerful (for its size), fan-less (some models), both tablet and laptop, has an okay stylus. Whats not to like? Oh, right, the default OS. 😊
And that some models can't upgrade to 11, so support for them ends when Windows 10 support ends. Linux Surface will extend their life.
In the case of the Surface Go family, there isn't really anything comparable from other companies. It's unironically the best compact tablet I'm aware of that you can put Linux on, and it runs Pop!_OS without issue once you disable Secure Boot. The only better Linux tablet for me would be an iPad Mini, but you can't put Linux on one of those and even if you could it's ARM-based so most proprietary apps won't work on it.
In general, your tablet options for something smaller and handier than full-size 2-in-1s are pretty limited if you don't want to be running iPadOS, so excluding Microsoft's devices from the running if you want to put Linux on your tablet is pointless. Yeah, buying a Surface Laptop to put Linux on there is a bit weird, but I can see the Surface Pro family yielding a good ARM Linux tablet some day.
Same with people buying Google Pixel’s and then removing the stock Android. Isn’t the Pixel’s hardware rubbish, and the only reason to buy it the software?
Because Pixel allows the removal of stock android where some phones, like Samsung's, actively prevent it.
But you're not entirely wrong. There are non-Pixel phones with better hardware and unlockable bootloaders. Often it's a preference thing. Though it should be said, the more popular the phone, the more likely it has robust support from the custom rom community, and Pixels are popular.
Also, "stock Android" doesn't mean "everything is accessible and configurable" Android. They may put a Pixel-based rom right back on, just a version that's not so restrictive. Many don't need a reason to use custom roms beyond just having more knobs and levers for their phone than stock allows them.
Honestly, one of the major reasons I use Lineage, beyond the big obvious reasons, is solely to keep the "Hold back button to kill foreground app" function that stock android removed long ago.
Pixel phones allow to relock bootloader on Custom ROMS, that's why developers use Pixel devices. Good firmware support is also around.
Buying new, sure, what you're saying makes sense. I think buying used for the form factor or whatever and not wanting windows is a fine choice, though.
That pixel's example is so funny cause its suprisingly the most open boooader out there, so almost no devices but the pixel are used for full custom OS' like grapheneOS.
But to answer your question, a lot of the beauty of Linux is it runs on anything, so if you already had one lying around, you could just slab Debian or something on it and it'll be snappier than ever.
I also personally like the form factor of the device and the removable keyboard
Also, consider REFind (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/REFInd) when you dual boot. It's the only boot manager that supports touch screens.
That's actually very tempting. I always liked the form factor of the surface but I didn't want windows for it.
I'm actually looking into purchasing a Surface Pro 7/8 to replace my current laptop, and was wondering about compatibility for dual booting
Its honestly very usable. Touch has some weirdness and I haven't gotten it working on my device but its one of the laptops not the tablets so I don't really care for touch. Look through the Table of Supported Features that OP linked to make sure whatever device you plan to pick up supports everything or is at least being worked on.
Very intersting thanks for the heads up.
My Surface Book 2 is quite long in the tooth at this point, windows drags on it but I imagine linux would fly. I'm surprised to see such extensive support for it.
ITs been a while but last time I tried installing Linux on my surface book 2 it was such a mess and had so many problems.
I've been daily driving Fedora with surface-linux kernel on SB2 for over a year. It just works (well, maybe except for the camera).
Good to know! Haven’t tried fedora before.
If it was long time ago maybe you should try it again. Many improvements were made. Also, disable secure boot in BIOS, it is kinda meh on Linux.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking after reading this. Might be worth a try. I did disable secure boot last time.
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It's all fun and giggles until you try to use the cameras. Most recent models are not only incompatible, but unlikely to be compatible anytime soon. SP7 owner using KDE Neon for years.
Surface Go 2 with Manjaro Gnome as a daily driver here, everything works fine, even the camera.