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Why this renewed assault? “Obamacare Sucks!!!” declared the former and possibly future president. For those offended by the language, these are Trump’s own words, and I think I owe it to my readers to report what he actually said, not sanitize it. Trump also promised to provide “MUCH BETTER HEALTHCARE” without offering any specifics.

So let’s discuss substance here. Does Obamacare, in fact, suck? And can we believe Trump’s promise to offer something much better?

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Because it's something from the other side that people like

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't think we have to over analyze it. He tried to repeal it in his last term, and his opinion hasn't changed even though he failed the first time.

No, he doesn't have a plan for an alternative and he never did.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's just ideology-addiction/prejudice.

That's all it ever was.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Thursday’s report on consumer spending showed the Federal Reserve’s preferred measure of underlying inflation getting close to its 2 percent target.)

Nonetheless, over the past few days, Trump has declared that if he returns to the White House, he’ll once again seek to do away with the Affordable Care Act, the reform that has produced a significant decline in the number of Americans without health insurance.

The main point in Obamacare’s favor is simply the fact that the number of uninsured Americans fell sharply after the law went into effect.

We’re still well short of the more or less universal coverage provided by every other advanced country, and the health insurance some Americans have remains inadequate, but the gap has narrowed a lot.

Before Obamacare, Americans with preexisting medical conditions who weren’t lucky enough to get coverage through their employers were in dire straits: Insurers either wouldn’t cover them at all or would charge exorbitant premiums.

is tricky, in part because the law, while offering extensive subsidies, also included many measures aimed at reducing health costs.


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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Let Trump say whatever he wants about that. It's a losing issue.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Republicans have very successfully poisoned the discussion on this topic. Maybe it will help if I start by saying I don't think private healthcare should exist in any way, shape, or form; I think all healthcare should be public including vision and dental.

Yes, Obamacare is pretty bad. Just like Romneycare in which the ACA is modeled after, it fucks over every single person in poverty. Studies also show that it caused premiums and OOP costs to rise significantly for people that already had coverage when it passed. The fallout of the ACA passing did also have a lot of short term problems, most of them caused by republicans that supported the bill right up until Obama signed it.

Edit: updated to make it clear when and who was affected by rising costs.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -2 points 11 months ago (11 children)

anything would be better healthcare. other than the 1 piece of legislation forcing insurance companies to insure sick people, 'obamacare' is a love letter to insurance companies.

fucking insurance is not fucking healthcare

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Insurance is not healthcare. But we live in late stage capitalism, and without insurance there is no access to healthcare at all. Obamacare took care of some of the more egregious problems we were dealing with, but it was clearly not the final solution.

So who thinks that Trump, or indeed any Republican can be trusted to come up with anything better?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So who thinks that Trump, or indeed any Republican can be trusted to come up with anything better?

Is there any criticism of the corporate wing of the party that won't be immediately met with a veiled (or not so veiled) accusation that the person doing the criticism is a Trump supporter?

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Since I didn't say that here, I can confidently say "yes."

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Since I didn’t say that here,

If you say so.

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can try to pick a fight if you want. Just don't expect me to do more than roll my eyes at you and dismiss you as the child you've continued to be.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

You can try to pick a fight if you want.

"If you say so" Is picking a fight now. Ok.

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