this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2023
170 points (97.8% liked)

World News

39032 readers
2192 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

South Korea, the country with the world’s lowest birth rate, expects it to fall even further in the next two years while its overall population is expected to plummet to levels not seen since the 1970s.

The new data underscores the demographic timebomb that South Korea and other East Asian nations like Japan and Singapore are facing as their societies rapidly age just a few decades after their dramatic industrialization.

South Korea’s total fertility rate, the number of births from a woman in her lifetime, is now expected to drop from 0.78 in 2022 to 0.65 in 2025, according to the government’s Statistics Korea.

all 19 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's what happens when you make the lives of children a hellish 70-hours a week grind. Who wants to bring somebody into that?

[–] isles@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, who?!

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 16 points 11 months ago

The thumbnail picture looks like she's trying to pop her child on a spike. Maybe if there was less baby spiking, their population wouldn't be reducing so fast.

[–] Blamemeta@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (7 children)

That doesn't sound like a bad thing.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 34 points 11 months ago

population decline is better for the environment, but terrible for social services. If it gets to an extreme level, suicide rates of elderly would spike (which in South Korea, is relatively speaking, higher than the rest of the world)

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It is a bad thing for that countries economy. Populations where elderly people are disproportionate to younger people require an unusually high number of care takers, and those caretakers are not participating in careers that maintain or increase the countries standard of living. So for instance, there may be fewer people working on maintaining roads and infrastructure, which means the quality of those things will decline. If you apply that thinly across everything except elder care, you get increased scarcity across the board, which generally increases costs while decreasing quality.

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Governments might have thought of that when they were spending decades endorsing wealth inequality and subsidizing everything from the top. Why make more people when life's already not worth living and everything continues to get worse at an accelerating rate?

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Politicians aren't known for their morality and selflessness.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Or especially their ability to think long term.

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Basically if there are more older people in a society that need assistance and not enough working age people to assist them, it quickly becomes very problematic for the government. They are forced to scramble to do things like incentivise having children as well as attract foreign workers. If you don't do this, older people will accuse you of abandoning them after they supported the country their whole life by paying taxes and not breaking the law etc. However, on the other hand, doing these things is expensive and can put huge strain on the country's finances / economy.

It basically becomes a choice between losing votes and support of older generations or putting the country in a huge economic decline.

This is made worse too by the country's unique culture and language. Something like this isn't such a big deal in a place like say Canada, where it's easier to get foreign workers into the country to fix this because they would all most likely speak English. However Korean is not a popular language outside of Korea. Getting in foreign workers as a temporary fix also comes with the challenge of teaching them about the culture, language, customs etc. It's not as easy.

TLDR: This could cripple a lot of Asian countries if not dealt with.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Lower population isnt but the reasons why the population is declining are.

People are essentially shamed into perpetuating a poisonous work culture that makes people not have the time or resources to support a family even if they wanted to and there seems to be no sign of that changing.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

On top of economic concerns there's also infrastructure concerns. Small towns don't have metro stations, or massive power grids, or skyscrapers. These things are far too expensive to maintain for how little use a small population would get out of it. So what happens if a metropolitan city suddenly has the population of a small town? All the infrastructure of that city is now way too big and expensive to maintain. The city would need to spend a lot of time and money downgrading their infrastructure. It's much better for populations to increase or decrease gradually rather than a huge sudden change.

[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

On top of what @friend_of_satan said, countries will not be able to keep up with their current productivity on top of the aged out work-force. This means their GDP will fall severely.

This is a really big deal for most of the world economically and we've already passed the point where we could mitigate it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The new data underscores the demographic timebomb that South Korea and other East Asian nations like Japan and Singapore are facing as their societies rapidly age just a few decades after their dramatic industrialization.

It is expected to gradually come back up to 1.08 in 2072, Statistics Korea said, but that is still far below the 2.1 births per woman needed to maintain a stable population in the absence of immigration.

In comparison, the United States’ fertility rate was expected to be 1.66 births per woman this year, and rise to 1.75 by 2030, according to the Congressional Budget Office, but the US will still see population growth because of immigration.

Many European and other industrialized nations also face aging populations, but the speed and impact of that change is mitigated by immigration.

Countries like South Korea, Japan and China, however, have shied away from mass immigration to solve their working age population issues.

Similar demographic declines are being seen in several other Asian countries including Japan and China, raising concerns there will be too few people of working age to support the ballooning elderly population.


The original article contains 538 words, the summary contains 186 words. Saved 65%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!