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I feel like I wrote this post from time to time on Reddit and I think I'll start this tradition here. I'm. a Honor Harrington fan. I've read several other space operas and they always fall short. The three that came close were Lt. Leary, Kris Longknife and Vorkosigan saga. Lt. Leary was nice, but it failed on World building. Kris Longknife also failed on world building and had astronomical levels of cringe with aliens and plot, but I enjoyed it. Vorkosigan saga had better world building and it was nice overall, but the books without Miles Vorkosigan weren't enjoyable. There were other series that I enjoyed: Serrano Legacy, Vatta's War (those are some of my favorites but they were too short), Starship's mage (it declines with every new book), The Lost Fleet (it has a serious plot problem, the plot doesn't move forward), Old Man's War (it was really nice), Dread Empire Fall (also awesome), Teixcalaan (good, but short), Alarm of War (good, but short and pretty generic), Bobbiverse (I read until book 3, it isn't for me), Red Rising 1st trilogy (really nice, but too Hunger Gamish, this whole dividing society into a cast system is getting old), Ark Royal. The Three Body Problem was awesome and, contrary to most series, didn't leave me craving more after it was over. Edit: forgot to mention The Expanse, it was OK.

I think that what won me over on HH was the fact that she is a complete Mary Sue and other character don't fall far from the tree, there is a nice world building, characters die, and there is a ton of action.

On the other hand, there are some long books that I enjoy that aren't space operas. I really enjoy the Dresden Files (because he is cool and it is a long series), I absolutely love Jack Reacher (it is just a nice fun read, it's like a nice Big Mac), I also enjoy The Spellmonger series, and I enjoyed the Riyria. I disliked Takeshi Kovacs (lack of sequence and plot) and I absolutely hate Southern Reach (VanderMeer), and there is another popular sci-fi book that is written as a report, which I also hated. I don't like those very innovative mystery stories where you are trying to figure out wtf is going on or waiting for a plot to start until the middle of the book.

Got any suggestions? =)

(OMG, after writing this post, I see myself as an incredible hard reader to please)

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[–] lowflyingduck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think any has mentioned this yet, The Expeditionary Force series?

Man… I would have until the last book

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Three Body problem is a an absolutely phenomenal take on the Dark Forest Theory.

It has the unfortunate quality of reading like a news article at times, recounting events, rather than feeling like an illustrated narrative. And some plot points hinge on the authors pre-conceived notions about gender that really didn't sit well with me.

[–] zalack@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Love that series but it's not really Space Opera

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Helliconia trilogy might be worth looking into. It's pretty unique in the genre.. It's not deeply political though if that's what you're looking for. The main character is essentially the planet itself and how the global society of people living on that planet changes over centuries. The seasons on the planet last hundreds of years too so it's adds some interesting evolutionary survival ideas in there.

[–] copymyjalopy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definite recommend for Helliconia. One of the few book series that has epic level story structure but digs into the every day lives of different species and how they communicate their culture through time.

[–] jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

The Saga of Seven Suns by Kevin J. Anderson. It's a huge favorite across our family.

[–] hybridhavoc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't say it is "packed with action" but I have to recommend the Revelation Spaces series by Alastair Reynolds, just because I think more people should be reading these.

[–] kuzcospoison@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I've actually really been enjoying the Warhammer 40k books, started with the Ultramarines omnibus, fun sci Fi fantasy

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The Nanotech Succession by Linda Nagata is pretty awesome if less well-known.

[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Have you read revelation space? I also recommend house of suns from the same author. They fit your criteria

[–] Ranolden@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Not super long, but Consider Phlebas is pretty action packed. Two agents on opposing sides of a war trying to secure the same thing

[–] str82L@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Stephen Donaldson's Gap series. Fair warning though, the first (short) book is very confronting.

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

This is kind of cheese ball, but have you tried Steve Perry's Matador series? The books aren't very long, but there's quite a few of them. Lots of fun characters and villains and such and it's a light, fun read.

[–] offendicula@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Many good recommendations already. Mine are: Warhammer, namely the Horus Heresy, the first few books of which I've read. Only 51 more to go. Robert Heinlein, all of his books are in the same universe which is pretty neat. He has his issues but the world building is top notch and sustained across so many works.

[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ooh, another operatic that comes to mind: 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson

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[–] punched_cards@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I also really like the Honor Harrington series. I’m also a big fan of the Liaden universe created by Lee and Miller.

[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Thankyou DoisBigo, I didn't know other people liked Kris Longknife and Honor Harrington. I pickup random space operas from charity stores -- which if their shelves are any metric then it seems my entire country wants to read nothing but stories about ordinary people on earth; good stuff is few and far between.

Hal Spacejock is good. I found the second book first, it was a hoot (opening: robot on the spaceship panics after making a mistake, wipes its own memory so nothing can be proven, the ship then starts failing and the robot assumes the captain must be at fault for poor maintenance). Some surreal space-opera travel scenes across planets towards the end mixed in with lots of humour.

"Revelation Space" by Alastair Reynolds was definitely interesting. At times a bit stretched out, but it had some cool concepts in it (like safely arresting your fall down an elevator shaft by reversing the thrust of an entire spaceship). Scale was insane (crazy time & space) but then it all focuses on a few smaller points, which felt a bit too distilled for what felt like a big universe moments before. Characters were 50/50 and I didn't enjoy some of their arcs, but the others were good.

A few months back I finished "Crystal Healer" (the dodgiest book title ever if you didn't know it was a space opera) by S.L. Viehl. I remember almost nothing from it, except a hot cat-woman that was enslaved to the main character. No mental staying power whatsoever, but I think I enjoyed reading it.

I recently found a book on my shelf "War Games" by Brian Stableford. I thought I hadn't read this. I opened the first page and found:

2013-02-25 I want to crush this novel. Why? ... because the author did not write a sequel.

No idea what it's about :D

Thankyou everyone in this topic for suggestions. If you want any of the books I mention then just poke me, it's better I send them to someone else rather than let them sit on my shelf forever. I'm in Australia.

[–] bomberesque1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Peter F Hamilton

  • Greg Mandel trilogy
  • Confederation universe
  • Void Trilogy
  • The Chronicle of the Fallers

And more that I haven't read now I look him up

[–] Tippon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The Spinward Fringe series by Randolph Lalonde is very good. The first book is free too, so that's a plus 👍

[–] obi_one@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Scythe, earthseed, grimmnoir Chronicles, super powered, the first law trilogy

[–] Kiwibrick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Spinward Fringe series is good and decently long

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