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We are reading Volumes 1, 2, and 3 in one year. This will repeat yearly until communism is achieved. (Volume IV, often published under the title Theories of Surplus Value, will not be included, but comrades are welcome to set up other bookclubs.) This works out to about 6½ pages a day for a year, 46 pages a week.

I'll post the readings at the start of each week and @mention anybody interested.

Week 1, Jan 1-7, we are reading Volume 1, Chapter 1 'The Commodity'

Discuss the week's reading in the comments.

Use any translation/edition you like. Marxists.org has the Moore and Aveling translation in various file formats including epub and PDF: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

Ben Fowkes translation, PDF: http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=9C4A100BD61BB2DB9BE26773E4DBC5D

AernaLingus says: I noticed that the linked copy of the Fowkes translation doesn't have bookmarks, so I took the liberty of adding them myself. You can either download my version with the bookmarks added, or if you're a bit paranoid (can't blame ya) and don't mind some light command line work you can use the same simple script that I did with my formatted plaintext bookmarks to take the PDF from libgen and add the bookmarks yourself.


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[–] aaro@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

hi! If I'm anticipating being strapped for time, is this version still sufficient?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/ruhle/1939/capital.htm

As much as I love theory, my eyes 100% glaze over when it comes to dead people arguing minutae with other dead people, and examples based on 150 year old economies and statistics. If the Moore and Aveling translation is definitively better than that's the one I'll read but I know I'll fall off at 50 pages a week cuz I have other book clubs too

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[–] Kolibri@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I finished the chapter and reading back towards section 2 really helped made me better understand it I think. I still have to like process it all. I liked how Marx mention of like saying how like 20 linen = 1 coat, mainly more so how like, that mainly reflected itself? I almost typed Lenin instead of lenin. Anyways, it's that it's own value is only found in a relation with another commodity, being reflected. that relation value was really neat. But it reminded me of a video I watched, where the person talked about like, how she discovered herself more through others or like relations through others.

anyways I was confused on something. Like from the footnotes? Mainly this part.

"26. It is by no means self-evident that this character of direct and universal exchangeability is, so to speak, a polar one, and as intimately connected with its opposite pole, the absence of direct exchangeability, as the positive pole of the magnet is with its negative counterpart. It may therefore be imagined that all commodities can simultaneously have this character impressed upon them, just as it can be imagined that all Catholics can be popes together. It is, of course, highly desirable in the eyes of the petit bourgeois, for whom the production of commodities is the nec plus ultra of human freedom and individual independence, that the inconveniences resulting from this character of commodities not being directly exchangeable, should be removed."

There was like more to it but I was more confused about that part? It was the footnote for this part in section 3 of chapter 1.

"Finally, the form C gives to the world of commodities a general social relative form of value, because, and in so far as, thereby all commodities, with the exception of one, are excluded from the equivalent form. A single commodity, the linen, appears therefore to have acquired the character of direct exchangeability with every other commodity because, and in so far as, this character is denied to every other commodity"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#26b

I'm not exactly sure what that footnote is saying? Is that passage just saying like, not everything can be like a universal exchangeability and emphasizing that? with like that footnote emphasizing that with the example in it about like catholics and popes? I dont understand what is meant by poles, or like, near the end about

"It is, of course, highly desirable in the eyes of the petit bourgeois, for whom the production of commodities is the nec plus ultra of human freedom and individual independence, that the inconveniences resulting from this character of commodities not being directly exchangeable, should be removed."

I'm not sure what that passage exactly saying then maybe like, petit bourgeois want commodities to be directly exchangeable? and to remove to that general form of value or money value? or just like removing any inconvenience that rise from things not being directly exchangeable and nothing to do with like the general form of value and stuff? or I dunno.

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[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

I've finally done it! I finally got through Chapter 1! What a ride.

Edit:

My thoughts after completing this chapter:

While not a historical “origins of money” it is an excellent logical argument as to WHY money arises within a society based on commodity exchange. I've been in the middle of conversations with libs/conservatives about “returning to a barter system” and this just eviscerates that whole train of thinking right at the root. At some point, the act of equating all these commodities with each other will eventually unearth the universal equivalent commodity within that market. This process is driven by the likely desire to simplify this process of exchange and make the exchange more efficient and easier to measure and track. What collection of people would, in their right minds, want to engage in a market where its principal method of exchange is the same process as the “I traded a paperclip for a house” guy?

It also illuminated the Gold Standard in a way that not only allowed me to understand why the Gold Standard came into existence, but also why liberal economics needed it to die. Transitioning the US$ to the universal equivalent commodity gives more control over its supply and nearly decouples it from labor as a source of value. This is my highly uneducated take, anyway. My only thinking in this regard is that the act of printing dollars (baring significant modifications to the physical dollar itself) is a nearly automated task. In comparison to the acquisition of gold from the earth, it might as well be manifested by magic.

There is an interesting trend line post Gold Standard where national debt seems to never deflate, and even liberal thinkers on this topic seem to agree it is related to the ease of the dollars' production. Often, I suspect, they miss the forest for the trees, in regard to why the Gold Standard truly prevented that type of economic intervention. That being the labor required for its extraction. Likewise, the growing movement of dedollarization has parallels to the rejection of the Bretton Woods system by some nations that eventually resulted in the dismantling of the Gold Standard in 1971 by Nixon. It would seem that once a given society has dominant control over the universal equivalent commodity within a global economic system, it erodes the social bonds that forged that universal commodity to begin with. The fascinating bit, to me, is you can then see the dollar transition into a pure fetishized form as it is decoupled from gold.

But as soon as it emerges as a commodity, it changes into a thing which transcends sensuousness. It not only stands with its feet on the ground, but, in relation to all other commodities, it stands on its head, and evolves out of its wooden brain grotesque ideas, far more wonderful than if it were to begin dancing of its own free will.

The dollar, a simple amalgamation of fibers and inks, printed in seconds at an industrial scale, runs away with nearly all, if not more, of the value originating from gold. It is propelled through the economy, powered purely by faith. Faith imparted on society by the daily sermons of its acolytes, a desperate ritual akin to a dog frantically attempting to keep a balloon in the air.

The dual nature of the commodity, how it is both something material and social in its existence, was very revealing. While it is something I feel I naturally understood, it was not something, I had ever given serious thought. As a mundane comparison, it's akin to learning how parallax movement or forward or reverse zooming was accomplished pre-digital animation at Walt Disney: Several pains of glass, each with a painted segment of the backdrop on it, affixed to rails that allowed each to be moved independently and then recorded into a single flat frame, its 3-dimensional nature obscured and transposed into a 2-dimensional reality that serves as your point of view. It isn't until you see the process in its true dimensionality that you can fully grasp how it works. This dual nature also exposes the potential reality where, a society with different goals and structures, operates purely on use-values. Something Marx makes a few winks and nods to throughout the chapter, and eventually explores more intentionally near the end.

It reveals that the only real concern of an individual seeking an object is of its usefulness to himself, and that how the exchange of that object happens defines all exchanges and, ultimately, how society is structured. It dissolves the notion that the kind of commodity exchanges we participate in daily are “natural”, meaning, it shows how it is not part of nature or the nature of people both past or present.

I might edit this with more to say later.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I was just looking through this thread and saw this comment. The money stuff is quite interesting to think about. You will like chapter 3 if you’re into money

While not a historical “origins of money” it is an excellent logical argument as to WHY money arises within a society based on commodity exchange.

Yeah exactly! I don’t think it is entirely ahistorical but we certainly have today more detailed archaeological knowledge about the historical development of money.

Radhika Desai and Michael Hudson are two Marxists who have interesting views on money. Hudson in particular is one of the world’s experts on money, having led teams at Harvard to study debt in the ancient Near East. What he found is that debt is a constant through societies, and that what keeps the world stable is periodic debt jubilees; something that modern liberal governments explicitly refuse to do.

Marx clearly also understood money to not be exclusive to capitalism, saying in Capital ch 3:

The class-struggles of the ancient world took the form chiefly of a contest between debtors and creditors, which in Rome ended in the ruin of the plebeian debtors. They were displaced by slaves. In the middle ages the contest ended with the ruin of the feudal debtors, who lost their political power together with the economic basis on which it was established. Nevertheless, the money relation of debtor and creditor that existed at these two periods reflected only the deeper-lying antagonism between the general economic conditions of existence of the classes in question.

Desai, for her part, believes in the basic accuracy of the historiography of money in Capital. But she adds that in reality it was not so neat and tidy. Capitalist money, rather than developing on its own foundation, attached itself to the real conditions in which capitalism found itself in the 15th century or so. So in some ways, the chaos of the monetary system has its roots in trying to force a thing to take on a form required by capitalism (as outlined in Capital) which may be unnatural to it.

Finally, it is easy for one to forget that there are two kinds of money, and Marx only discusses one kind in volume 1: commodity money. Today, money is primarily credit money i.e. debt, created by private banks independently of the state. Marx anticipated credit money as well in chapter 3, but says it is outside the scope:

We allude here only to inconvertible paper money issued by the State and having compulsory circulation. It has its immediate origin in the metallic currency. Money based upon credit implies on the other hand conditions, which, from our standpoint of the simple circulation of commodities, are as yet totally unknown to us. But we may affirm this much, that just as true paper money takes its rise in the function of money as the circulating medium, so money based upon credit takes root spontaneously in the function of money as the means of payment.

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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Let us now picture to ourselves, by way of change, a community of free individuals, carrying on their work with the means of production in common, in which the labour power of all the different individuals is consciously applied as the combined labour power of the community. All the characteristics of Robinson [Crusoe]’s labour are here repeated, but with this difference, that they are social, instead of individual. Everything produced by him was exclusively the result of his own personal labour, and therefore simply an object of use for himself. The total product of our community is a social product. One portion serves as fresh means of production and remains social. But another portion is consumed by the members as means of subsistence. A distribution of this portion amongst them is consequently necessary. The mode of this distribution will vary with the productive organisation of the community, and the degree of historical development attained by the producers. We will assume, but merely for the sake of a parallel with the production of commodities, that the share of each individual producer in the means of subsistence is determined by his labour time. Labour time would, in that case, play a double part. Its apportionment in accordance with a definite social plan maintains the proper proportion between the different kinds of work to be done and the various wants of the community. On the other hand, it also serves as a measure of the portion of the common labour borne by each individual, and of his share in the part of the total product destined for individual consumption. The social relations of the individual producers, with regard both to their labour and to its products, are in this case perfectly simple and intelligible, and that with regard not only to production but also to distribution."

This is a suuuuuper interesting paragraph and actually totally different from all the others. Here Marx is "imagining" a better world, dabbling dareisay in utopianism, whereas in the rest of it he is analysing the real world. He even mentions a "definite social plan", i.e. planned economy.

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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

The religious world is but the reflex of the real world. Note. This oft-quoted aphorism was included in the first English translation prepared by Engels and published in 1887. Readers should note that this observation is consistent with Marx's explanation above. There are numerous divergences between this English edition and the first German edition. [MIA]

Putting this here for the Fowkes folks who won't see it otherwise.

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