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SystemD is blamed for long boot times and being heavy and bloated on resources. I tried OpenRC and Runit on real hardware (Ryzen 5000-series laptop) for week each and saw only 1 second faster boot time.

I'm old enough to remember plymouth.service (graphical image) being the most slowest service on boot in Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04. But I don't see that as an issue anymore. I don't have a graphical systemD boot on my Arch but I installed Fedora Sericea and it actually boots faster than my Arch despite the plymouth (or whatever they call it nowadays).

My 2 questions:

  1. Is the current SystemD rant derived from years ago (while they've improved a lot)?
  2. Should Linux community rant about bigger problems such as Wayland related things not ready for current needs of normies?
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[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
[–] PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do people keep insisting on capitalizing it wrong? It's systemd, all lowercase. Never has it been Systemd, and never has it been SystemD.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I just like the D, baby

[–] erf456@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Proper nouns should never start with a lowercase letter

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[–] wargreymon2023@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I can't like it bc its complicated.

I am on Guix works great with shepherd.

[–] dlarge6510@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Systemd is tolerable but it still messes up my day. I'm moving away from it soon.

The idea was sound, the implementation not so much.

[–] bladewdr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God damn I'd forgotten about Plymouth

[–] addie@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Is it possible to learn this power?

[–] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Boot times aren't really an issue and not really relevant to good vs bad. You should be able to rice each one for speed on your particular use case if you really want to.

Be wary of anything you get from RedHat. I use their stuff sometimes but ensure I can happily live without gnome, systemd, pipewire, wayland or whatever else they are generously gifting to us freeloaders.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Not against systemd (although it’s bad and needs replacing), just against pottering.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago
  1. systemd hasn't become a better project built by better, smarter people to deliver a better set of features. It's still hot garbage.
  2. it's okay to continue pointing out it's hot garbage, in the hopes we can go forward or back or just get on something better/else (same thing).
[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The problem of systemd is that it hasn't been just a replacement of init as they initially claimed, and now deny they ever did. Things like Mono, Gnome and systemd are bad for the ecosystem long term.

An init done by constructive people wouldn't be a problem at all.

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[–] BadSong@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

It's spyware

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

It would be fine if it kept to system init rather than growing like a cancerous tumor.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd

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