So you just gonna keep posting "why everyone hates Joe Biden" stories, huh
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They exist specifically to sow discontent and draw support away from Biden. Russian propagandist or right-winger LARPing as a concerned progressive, they're a bad faith actor.
I'm far left and live in Los Angeles but keep calling everyone you don't like Russian I guess. You can go on Reddit under my same username and post history if you want to see where I'm from.
I'm far left [...]
entire post history on Lemmy is articles with centrist or pro-Trump messages
Cool.
It's a politics channel/sub/whatever they're called.
There's an upvote and a downvote button you can use.
Instead of seeing it as "It's not Pro-Biden, then I don't like it" you should read the article and push Biden to fix why voters aren't happy with him.
Voters, huh? Can't wait to hear what they have to say. Let me guess, Joe Biden tried to murder American democracy, and might do it again, and they're real unhappy about it.
Oh wait
Did you even read the article?
A recent New York Times and Sienna College poll found that in six key swing states 71% of black voters would back Mr Biden in 2024, a steep drop from the 92% nationally that helped him win the White House at the last election. These are votes the president cannot afford to lose.
Ronnie Bennett, co-owner of the Broughton Street Cafe in Orangeburg County, told the BBC: "If Biden has put money into black communities, I don't see it."
Ms Bennett plans to vote for Joe Biden again but mostly out of obligation, feeling Democrats offer her the most hope. "Our ancestors fought for the right to vote, so we exercise that right whether we like who's running or not," she says.
I did not. I did read a few of the articles you posted some time ago carrying some kind of negative-to-Biden message. At this point it feels like the repetition of one single, easy-to-remember message is an attempt to manipulate your audience, for whatever reason, and not an honest attempt to communicate the truth about what's going on in the world. That more than anything is why I didn't read it. I did read a few of the first "Biden is in trouble because X voters aren't planning to vote for him" stories much like this one that you posted.
I just looked over the first page of your profile, and 36% of the stories you posted are explicitly negative about Democrats in some way. There's one with Nancy Pelosi kneeling in traditional African dress, which was an absolutely heinous thing for her to do I agree, but it was also like 5 years ago. There's a meme about the Democrats bombing the shit out of the middle east, also from at least 4-5 years ago. There's a pretty constant stream of "this is why Biden is in trouble" stories. I feel like it's a notable enough pattern to comment on it. Is that alright with you?
You're free to comment however you'd like. It's good to discuss. Should I only post Pro-Biden articles and turn this into an echo chamber like Reddit's politics sub? I'm not sure what you want from me.
You are, as well, free to post whatever you like.
I don't feel that the lemmy.world hivemind is overly enthusiastic about establishment Democrats. Like I said, my own negative reaction comes a lot more from the perception that it's some kind of deliberately slanted attempt at influence, with a third of your feed being anti-Democrat in some way and digging up memes from years ago to help make the point. Has nothing to do with me not liking your viewpoint or saying you can't post something against Biden. But there's a big difference between posting "Yo I think Biden like every other US president is a war criminal enabler," versus posting 2-3 stories a day about how he's behind among Latinos in Nevada, or remember when Nancy Pelosi did a stupid thing.
Let me ask this, what's your preferred outcome in the presidential election this year?
We already all know the GOP and Trump are awful and others post the anti-Trump articles in greater numbers than my posts. No use in me adding to those.
Let me ask this, what’s your preferred outcome in the presidential election this year?
Full disclosure, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I'm registered No Party Preference in California. My views are actually Left (not what they consider Democrats to be) to Far Left. I hate our two-party system and having to always vote for the lesser of two evils. My preferred outcome, honestly, would be for Biden to be replaced by a real progressive but that won't happen. I would hope, begrudgingly, that Biden wins but it's not looking good in multiple demographics. Running on "but Trump" worked in 2020 but I don't think it's going to work as well as it did for 2024.
My views are actually Left (not what they consider Democrats to be) to Far Left. I hate our two-party system and having to always vote for the lesser of two evils. My preferred outcome, honestly, would be for Biden to be replaced by a real progressive but that won't happen.
This, I all 1,000% agree with, and I think I'm pretty much on the same page as you. I'm just having trouble seeing how posting memes about "Democrats bad" and a constant stream of Biden vs. Trump stories ties in with that. If you were talking up more lefty Democrats or posting news about specific critiques of Biden that would be fine.
Think of it like if there was an actually-leftist candidate in the race, and you were looking at someone who posted several times a day about how he was polling behind Biden and critiques of stuff he did from 5 years ago. But then they said, oh yeah I'm a leftist, I'm just posting news dude, I just think he's not looking good. That'd be irritating. Right?
Running on "but Trump" worked in 2020 but I don't think it's going to work as well as it did for 2024.
This is a fuckin' bonkers thing to say. There's a for-real fascist in the race with a for-real chance of winning. The house is on fire. And you're running around saying how one of the firefighters is problematic. Okay, yeah, maybe. We still need to put out the fire.
If you were talking up more lefty Democrats
Which Democrats are actually Leftist and not just centrist or Republican-lite? Bernie? AOC? We tried and the Dem party/oligarchy shut that down real quick.
Trump and the GOP is the enemy. Biden and the Democrats, to me, are also the enemy to the people because they want the status quo to continue. "Nothing will fundamentally change." I feel we're going to get fascism either way. One is accelerated and the other is a slow death march.
I feel we're going to get fascism either way.
Therrre it is
You only think that because you haven't actually lived under fascism.
"Nothing will fundamentally change."
I hope like hell Trump doesn't win, and have a chance to prove to you how absolutely utterly mistaken you are in this.
Joe Biden to rich donors: "Nothing would fundamentally change" if he's elected
Nobody cares what South Carolina thinks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina
You have to go back to 1976 to see them back a Democrat.
If it’s a choice between Biden and trump then no it isn’t. Biden is the only choice and that’s fine.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A recent New York Times and Sienna College poll found that in six key swing states 71% of black voters would back Mr Biden in 2024, a steep drop from the 92% nationally that helped him win the White House at the last election.
Todd Shaw, a University of South Carolina political science professor, told the BBC that if Mr Biden fails to get a strong showing from black voters from the state in Saturday's primary, it could spell trouble for his campaign for re-election.
Ronnie Bennett, co-owner of the Broughton Street Cafe in Orangeburg County, told the BBC: "If Biden has put money into black communities, I don't see it."
Inside, an original copy of The Clansman - the early 20th Century novel glamourising the Ku Klux Klan - sits just feet away from emptied shotgun shells used by police to kill unarmed black student protestors on SCSU's campus.
The former president has faced accusations of racism - which he denies - including for pushing the false claim that Barack Obama was not born in America and for telling four minority congresswoman to "go back" to where they came from.
In addition to multiple celebrity endorsements from rappers like Lil Wayne and Kodak Black, Mr Trump has increasingly positioned himself on camera with his now-defeated opponent, Tim Scott.
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Dems only like the 'yes massa' black voters, and hate the ones that dont fall in line and do as they are told. They love tokenizing the marginalized to stay in power.