If we keep it without karma, bagdes and other reward crap then the only reward is the information of the post itself, the plus that ir brings to the people involved. As a forum should be.
Man so far i am loving lemmy and the fediverse. Clunky? Yes. But i love this real sense of community that was lost at reddit. Losing RIF was truly a blessing in disguise. I hope more people will move here but even if they don't, I am ok. I am sick and tired of my data being something that goes to feed the pockets of some corporation. Fuck it.
Clunky is good, as my dad says: "imperfection adds character, a sort of rustic appeal"
+1 lemmy gold to you stranger!
Totally agree. I don't want karma. It was useless anyways.
For the most part. The reality is upvotes for people serve as dopamine boosts and they crave it. It helps drive engagement, and of course addiction.
I noticed that I don't have a karma or upvote counter for my account, and I felt free. Let's keep it that way. It just encourages more ego and skin in the discussion ahead of focusing on the content and further penalizes users who sometimes have an unpopular, but still civil and constructive, opinion. I don't want an echo chamber effect.
I imagine that implementing such a metric could become quite confusing if it turned out that not all instances permitted all communities in the future. If this is already the case, please excuse me. I've been on Lemmy for one hour total. Solving that consistency problem couldn't be easier than just not solving it.
As someone who used reddit when Dig was still big; let Karma die, it's so stupid.
100% agree! It's so nice right now to not see dumb posts when users trying to karma farm. I have been loving Lemmy so far. I just hope we get more users so we can get more engagement from the smaller communities.
Upvoting posts is fine, but Karma I can do without. Back on Reddit sometimes I help somebody with something and I get maybe 3 or 4 Karma. Make a stupid joke in a popular Thread and get that hundred fold. Karma is useless.
Honestly I don't mind the upvote and downvote system but i don't want reddit replicated.
At this point, I reckon no one on Lemmy wants Reddit replicated in any shape or form…
Good. Karma just incentivizes the monetization of accounts. Without karma there is less incentive for bots and grifters since visibility/prominence/influence can no longer be bought and sold.
I really hope that Lemmy will never have it. Karma destroyed Reddit.
Technically, Lemmy does keep track of your total post/comment votes. It's just not visible from the current client. Hopefully it stays that way.
I hope so too, I tried the wefwef app (pwa) for lemmy and it should 'points', I assume upvotes, really annoying.
If there was one change on Reddit to make it'd be to get rid of karma. Upvotes and such show support and disapproval, but karma just pushes people into shitty social media actions.
I amassed a huge amount of karma and I have no idea what that meant? The truth was "I posted a lot" that's all.
To anyone suggesting karma is a good anti bot tool, remember there is karma whoring. Nothing is stopping a bot from spamming useless things, and interacting with other bot posts to build karma. This is already happening on reddit when you navigate to weird subs where all the content is coming from one account posting links to the same shitty tabloid site. Yet this content is getting upvotes from something.
Karma is security theater, I think the mods were the true anti-bot force.
Hard no
What was the point of karma? I never understood the value in having it.
It started as an incentive for positive interaction.
It turned into something to be gamed by doing the worst sort of intraction (reposting).
I think it showed whether or not you posted quality content/comments? not really sure
But it also led to lazy or downright fraudulent reposts from users and bots alike.
If any devs ever implement karma into Lemmy, I will shut down my subs and leave.
I mean that with 100% seriousness. Karma is one of the most evil concepts ever conceived in the history of the internet. It brings out the darkness in a motherfucker.
Excuse me if I’m just dense, but when I look at peoples profiles in wefwef, it shows me their comment score and post score.
Is that somehow different from what Karma was?
That's probably a good reason not to use Wefwef 🤦
Here, your comments can be upvoted and downvoted, but it's purposefully not totaled and kept separate from your profile. I don't know why the devs of that app decided to total them all together -- that total is your karma and people did tie their self-worth and their social standing to their karma. It's what made Reddit so toxic
We all better go say something to the Wefwef devs and make them take that shit off
yeah. Karma was really bad when you happened to say something that was either misunderstood or maybe a valid oppinion but against the population of the sub. I dared to say that men and women differ in some life-experiences around puberty in BadGirlsAnatomy once... They took that as if I was invalidating their experiences somehow... holy cow the downvotes!
Karma made me feel those downvotes, because they had some permanent impact on my overall profile, so I never dared to discuss anything in that sub ever again, leading to bubbles. I ain't wanting that back.
I always thought there was some merit to it, like, indicative of someone's history in engagement on a platform, no?
I get that it becomes less and less meaningful as people farm it, but there is there no balancing point?
I like that it doesn't have karma. reddit has been deteriorating since 2016 2017. karma farming bots have increased in size so much. quality had dropped too much. I have been discussing about this with many friends since long and was trying to find alternative. I love that this decision has given enough momentum to federated spaces. now we will have some quality content and discussion without platform owner's vested interests
This is something I had neglected to think of. A reward/points system leads to bots farming for points, then selling the account. On the other hand, karma can be a good indicator to community moderators of weather that user isn’t just a spam account.
Edit: To clarify comment karma is a good metric for mods, not post karma. Its much harder to gain karma via comments because you can’t just repost r/oddlysatisfying shit, but that could change with GPT and open source LLMs.
I say stay strong and refuse. I can't see a single benefit outweighing the disadvantages and in particular botting to game that flawed system.
It would be interesting to have a poll on how many people really would want reddit-style karma on lemmy. I suspect it wouldn't be that high
For the love of God, keep karma off this platform. Let upvoting and downvoting function purely as a way to prioritise posts.
Wait what? There’s no karma here?
How will I be a gazillionaire?
This comment constitutes my first real interaction with a Lemmy instance, and this post is how I'm learning that Lemmy doesn't have reddit-style karma.
Suffice to say I'm very happy to learn this. +1 point in favor of higher quality, organic content generation.
Reddit Karma really just incentives unhelpful but funny/highly agreeable post. Upvotes are fine as a per-thread moderation system, but when you have a total of all up votes it opens the door to circlejerks and discriminating against users with low karma score (which also incentives circlejerks as a quick way to earn enough karma to be a valid user, enables paid shills and enables account selling).
Karma totals is more or less one of the biggest flaws with reddit.
Oh Dear.
Karma wouldn't work on Lemmy. I could just make an instance and run a script to give myself as much upvotes as I wanted.
If we keep it without karma, bagdes and other reward crap then the only reward is the information of the post itself, the plus that ir brings to the people involved. As a forum should be.
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