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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by lwadmin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world
 

Hello there!

It has been a while since our last update, but it's about time to address the elephant in the room: downtimes. Lemmy.World has been having multiple downtimes a day for quite a while now. And we want to take the time to address some of the concerns and misconceptions that have been spread in chatrooms, memes and various comments in Lemmy communities.

So let's go over some of these misconceptions together.

"Lemmy.World is too big and that is bad for the fediverse".

While one thing is true, we are the biggest Lemmy instance, we are far from the biggest in the Fediverse. If you want actual numbers you can have a look here: https://fedidb.org/network

The entire Lemmy fediverse is still in its infancy and even though we don't like to compare ourselves to Reddit it gives you something comparable. The entire amount of Lemmy users on all instances combined is currently 444,876 which is still nothing compared to a medium sized subreddit. There are some points that can be made that it is better to spread the load of users and communities across other instances, but let us make it clear that this is not a technical problem.

And even in a decentralised system, there will always be bigger and smaller blocks within; such would be the nature of any platform looking to be shaped by its members. 

"Lemmy.World should close down registrations"

Lemmy.World is being linked in a number of Reddit subreddits and in Lemmy apps. Imagine if new users land here and they have no way to sign up. We have to assume that most new users have no information on how the Fediverse works and making them read a full page of what's what would scare a lot of those people off. They probably wouldn't even take the time to read why registrations would be closed, move on and not join the Fediverse at all. What we want to do, however, is inform the users before they sign up, without closing registrations. The option is already built into Lemmy but only available on Lemmy.ml - so a ticket was created with the development team to make these available to other instance Admins. Here is the post on Lemmy Github.

Which brings us to the third point:

"Lemmy.World can not handle the load, that's why the server is down all the time"

This is simply not true. There are no financial issues to upgrade the hardware, should that be required; but that is not the solution to this problem.

The problem is that for a couple of hours every day we are under a DDOS attack. It's a never-ending game of whack-a-mole where we close one attack vector and they'll start using another one. Without going too much into detail and expose too much, there are some very 'expensive' sql queries in Lemmy - actions or features that take up seconds instead of milliseconds to execute. And by by executing them by the thousand a minute you can overload the database server.

So who is attacking us? One thing that is clear is that those responsible of these attacks know the ins and outs of Lemmy. They know which database requests are the most taxing and they are always quick to find another as soon as we close one off. That's one of the only things we know for sure about our attackers. Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.  

"Why do they need another sysop who works for free"

Everyone involved with LW works as a volunteer. The money that is donated goes to operational costs only - so hardware and infrastructure. And while we understand that working as a volunteer is not for everyone, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. As a volunteer you decide how much of your free time you are willing to spend on this project, a service that is also being provided for free.

We will leave this thread pinned locally for a while and we will try to reply to genuine questions or concerns as soon as we can.

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[–] Flanders_Poppy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your dedication and hard work.

[–] computabloke@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This has been pinned a few days now. Site health was pretty dire with several long outages.

But subjectively in the last 48 hours things seem to be great. Noticeably responsive and login and activities haven't missed a beat.

StatusPage.io still looks very red though... Is the worst now mitigated?

Thanks to the stirling admins (and friends) for their work on this. Vive la Lemmy.World!

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[–] enshu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you for all the works you do!

[–] Imkeen@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Appreciate it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just want to know why someone or someones are taking so much time and effort to DDOS lemmy.world. Is it a grudge? What is driving it?

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[–] z500@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Nam flashbacks to DALNet getting DDOSed to death for no reason

Thank you to the admins for all of your hard work maintaining Lemmy.World through the downtime. A lot of us are already so comfortable here that we rush to the Discord server to check in when it's down.

Point being, the members of Lemmy.World are really grateful to the admins, the mods, and fellow Lemmings who have been posting interesting content and participating in deep discussions!

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I would love to see this grow to the point where a full time sysadmin could be hired! Would need a lot of subscribers though

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[–] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much for explaining the reason for the downtimes. I just thought it was some temporary issue caused by unforseen popularity. Knowing it was malicious does make me more understanding of how difficult this must be. I will continue to be patient. I am sadly not good enough with anything other than basic powershell scripts and learning proprietary software configurations.. 10 years of software support does that to a guy. I'll still check if there is anything I can do to help. I do want this project to succeed.

[–] Jodio_Joestar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

All support to Y'all, Keep Going!

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

I think I initially signed up on your instance and then figured it out, signed up for a more local instance but then figured I made a mistake and ended up where I am.

Thank you again for being available to let me through the door. Once I figured out that there's lots of doors, it was much better.

Lemmy.world will always be a special place and you and anyone who volunteers for work hare is fuckin awesome. Thanks again ♥️

[–] comcreator@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To my understanding Datadog is not FOSS. Would you guys consider using a FOSS alternative for motoring the status of lemmy.world such as Uptime Kuma? That way your who stack is closer to being FOSS.

https://uptime.kuma.pet/

[–] Obsession@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Uptime Kuma is in no way comparable to what Datadog offers. The best FOSS alternative would be the whole Prometheus/Granada/Thanos/Loki/etc stack, and that would require at least a whole volunteer just to set up and administer.

There's nothing wrong with DD, they're a staple in the cloud industry and are absolutely trustworthy.

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[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

When I learned about the whole fediverse thing, I want to join but was hesitant due to many instances. But I realized that lemmy.world is the largest Lemmy instance with a HUGE margin so I just signed up. Thank you for keeping this place alive and kicking!

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