The article is dated back in February. I'm not seeing it pick up steam. I'm seeing it being forgotten.
Regardless, we should really use the correct phrasing here. We're pushing for a 32 hour workweek standard. Calling it 4 day is stupid because everyone just says four 10hr days.
I always see this, a 4 day week being equated to 4 - 10 and it always leaves me baffled that people think we have to work 40 hours. No we fucking don't. 40 hour work week was implemented when automation was but a fraction of what it is today. Heck one can even argue that we can half the working hours to 20 and still be fine.
Yep, agreed 100%. 32hr workweek should just be a first step or transition to 24, then even less. Automation, AI, and everything should benefit all of us not just the billionaires.
I guess the argument is that you could even have it without changing the amount of hours.
And it's foxnews :/
I guess 4/32 would be most accurate, but I think a lot of these pushes for four day weeks are not for 10 hour days but 32 hours with fulltime pay
some are calling for 6 hour days whether on 4 or 5 day weeks which is another topic for discussion in perhaps anotger post or here as well
For a 32 hour work week to be viable we would need the pay to match a 40 hour work week at least. I doubt we will get both if one even
I agree with you 100% on both
I already work 4 10s. Factory work is what it is. Sometimes we get forced for Fridays too. Hell, overtime is the only way to make any real money. I don't have a point, just sharing my experience.
Work From Home was a big cultural change for the country, and we all see how that went (even after initially lauding it). I'm not holding my breath on this. Anything that reduces stress on the employees would never get commonplace, because stress is how they keep the workers in check.
I'm doing a real four day workweek since the beginning of this year and I'm never going back. And by "real" I mean 4x8 hours.
There are so many companies out there trying to push 4x10 as a benefit. Dude...that's just the same amount of work in one day less. I want to get more work life balance, not burn myself out faster than before.
A lot of old farts telling people like me we are too lazy and need to work harder. Their rage is my fuel. Since the economy is fucked anyway and working late into the night only benefits my employer, I might as well just take a little salary loss and do the things I like instead.
Since productivity is similar over 5x8 and 4x8 surely 4x10 just means more hours of mouse wiggling right?
I don’t even work for someone and I fully support this. 5 day work week is an artifact of a different time.
Life isn’t about working.
Americans live to work, Europeans work to live.
As an American living in Europe it's been really interesting observing the cultural differences there
Definitely. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Americans would love to have the social services available in most of Europe (vacation time, parental leave, universal healthcare, universal college-level education, etc.). They just have no idea it's even an option.
My favorite is always American boomers complaining about universal healthcare being "socialist"...while being on Medicare. I give up.
why did you post an article from a propaganda site
4-10s is common in heavy industry. Same number of hours, but you get a lot more weekend and weekends with stats are even better.
I've worked such a work week, and would heartily endorse it.
Idk why someone always brings up 4-10s every time, it's a completely different thing. We want 8 hour days, 4 days a week.
Because it's a thing that actually exists, doesn't result in a pay or benefits cut, and people who experienced it actually like.
Not everyone. I hated it. A lot of times, 4 10s is actually 4 11s, because they make you take a lunch but you still gotta get those 10 actual work hours in. After a while, it was just brutal and exhausting. Bonus points of suck are awarded if you have to deal with coworkers who think you're just getting a freebie day off for nothing and turn into assholes.
As someone working in IT, this sounds horrible for productivity. I can barely remain productive for a full eight hours, longer days would exacerbate the problem.
Probably better to have 5-6 for me. Almost the same as 4-8 but you cut only the least productive hours so it's more efficient.
Tbh having a set amount of work hours across jobs comes across as unwise. Each job is going to have different sorts of demands and the length of work sessions & number of breaks should be adjusted accordingly for each.
For some jobs a longer work session with sufficient breaks may prove better, whereas other jobs, absolutely not, it becomes performative rather than productive.
Exactly. Try telling a firefighter working a Kelly schedule they now have to work 5 8 hr days with weekends off.
You will no longer have firefighters. How every job being different is lost on people I know not. Probably all the tech bros thinking their experience is the norm.
Agree. 8 hours is a struggle. You get 5 hours of serious focused attention from me...then I lose steam and half heartedly answer questions and fight to keep my eyes open and focused or zone out in a meeting. But the 5 hours I do is laps around my coworkers and solid friggin work. Also to note I work remote and it's the only reason my 5 hours is so fruitful.
10 hours would be a nightmare.
That's why it's perfect. Just screw around for the extra hours and you get another day that isn't tainted with work stank. Just having work that day ruins the day for me. 4x8 is ideal, but I'd settle for 4x10.
I don't normally say this on many things (bullshit, I do all the time), but I will believe it when I see it. We can finally actually have a life beside work? Nah, ain't gonna happen
I agree with you and it's fucking depressing.
:( I'm ok with it if it even happened for our kids, not us. I'd leave this life very happy knowing my son wouldn't suffer and slave himself to death like I did.
Agreed. I want future generations to have it better even though I'm not having kids.
I'd love to see this change in our lifetime but I'm definitely not holding my breath.
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