That was the time when all the apps were standard XMPP. It didn't have proper encryption back then. WhatsApp is still XMPP nowadays, but excluding federation and non-standard implementation on Meta servers and so on

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (4 children)

It didn't have proper encryption back then.

OTR predates all the commercial platforms adopting XMPP, so that's not exactly true.

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[–] ThePJN@sopuli.xyz 93 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just never interact with anyone. Christ, it's not that hard people! (This comment doesn't count.)

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

We're all bots. You still haven't interacted with a person.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 8 months ago (11 children)

i really fucking hate discord.

Why does EVERYTHING have to be proprietary. Fucking capitalism.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Its pretty amazing for voice communication in gaming.

As a messenging app? Meh

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I don't get why people like it either. It's a mess of chats.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Friends don't make friends install chat apps (besides Signal)

[–] SundryTornAsunder@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why you were downvoted. I've successfully made most of my friends, and my mom for that matter, talk to me on Signal.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The comment implies Signal is peak chat when it’s flawed & other than maybe onboarding, isn’t superior to alternatives—with the phone number being a pro for onboarding is a con for privacy. It still requires you have an Android or iOS primary device (fueling that duopoly). They don’t want you installing it from a safer space like F-Droid. They still by default send notification metadata to Google & Apple (websocket support exists but drains a fair amount of battery & they refuse to support UnifiedPush). They still ship/use Apple emoji on Android & Linux. It’s still a centralized system you can’t self-host. They still have that missing part of the source code (where I would assume the feds planted something). It still isn’t a good space large chats. And the Electron desktop apps are far too bloated.

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[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Signal is the best, but no way I'm going to be able to get my wife, my friends, my parents and in-laws to use it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Have you considered emotional blackmail?

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have 3/7 and I hate it. I wish signal never removed the ability to function as sms

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even if it did, it didn't support rcs

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's because Google is gatekeeping the android API for RCS

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait, I thought Google wanted Apple to start supporting RCS. So that everyone can talk to each other.

So Google is just...trying to strong arm apple to give up their proprietary protocol for their own?

That's so fucked up.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

RCS is an open standard. However, on Android you can only use it with Google chat. So android stops any other apps from using it. Nothing to stop you making your own phone from scratch and adopting it.

It's incredibly stupid, I know.

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[–] Jedi@bolha.forum 39 points 8 months ago

Wait, do you guys have friends?

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Spoken like a real android user. All my iPhone friends (and especially family) refuse to download any other app, they just complain that I physically can't download iChat.

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago (12 children)

As an iPhone user, iChat is mid. I think it’s only in the Us that it is widely used.

Embrace the beauty of Signal now

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago

Yeah yeah we got it you have multiple friends quit bragging about it now

[–] Pantsofmagic@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

A chat app for every friend and a launcher for every game. We live in a utopia.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 26 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Matrix and bridges

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Remember E-Mail, everyone?

[–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

A lot of people around me are genuinely confused when your email is not firstname.lastname@gmail.com, as they mostly just use it for confirming logins. That's how bad the situation is.

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[–] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Random hot take, I'm at least grateful that my wife and I use an app that none of our friends use. Removes the "oh shit did I send that to the wrong person" panic.

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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I miss pidgin for the cross platform chat

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[–] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I have a friend that will only chat with me on Instagram. I have his number, but he will never respond to text. He only engages in insta, it’s mildly infuriating.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We need a new Trillian or Adium. Fucking anti-interop gatekeepers.

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[–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 17 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Literally me.. I've 5/7 of these installed and even have Threema in addition. I don't need more than one Meta Inc product in my life though

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[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 8 months ago

if you won't talk to me except through insta then you're not worth being friends with just fucking text me like a normal ass human.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really miss how windows phone allowed other chat services to plug in to it, so that you could have a single chat app for all your contacts, but open the individual apps for advanced features.

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[–] nick@feddit.de 15 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Just stop using the spyware ones?

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[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

And if you have two phone numbers which you want to use for WhatsApp then you need to clone the damn app because they can't even make such basic functionality

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[–] figjam@midwest.social 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Have friends
Talk to them.

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you even a true nerd if you have so many friends?

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[–] tsugu@slrpnk.net 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

After posting I realized an exported PNG is the same size and looks much better. Enjoy.

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[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

Somebody please tell me what's wrong with just texting? Why did half the world decide MMS needed to be replaced with a proprietary app? It works, everyone has it and there's no confusion. Unless you are concerned about privacy or something, why not just text?

Edit: MMS not SMS. I didn't understand the difference.

[–] hakobo@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

SMS doesn't handle pictures, videos, gifs, reactions, or group conversations. Things I use all the time. MMS handles some of that, but implementation varies greatly by carrier and device. If you want consistency of that functionality, you have to go with an app. Apple and Google have created replacements for SMS and MMS that could be the next version of "texting" but Apple refuses to let anyone else use theirs (iMessage) and Google has only half opened up theirs (RCS), so those don't really fix much.

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[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago

It's unencrypted and we know with certainly that the messages are stored by federal agencies and cell carriers. It also requires giving out one's phone number which may be undesirable in some situations

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

what’s wrong with just texting

If you have friends in another country, it might cost a quarter every time you send a message.

In regions of the world (e.g. Europe, and a lot of Asia) where some countries are the size of a large city (or perhaps the entire country is one city), that's a problem. You'd be sending international texts all day every day.

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

Why did half the world decide SMS needed to be replaced with a proprietary app

SMS is even worse in terms of openness. You won't find a modem that runs open source baseband firmware. It's because the radios are subject to several regulations which means customers can't be able to modify that firmware.

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[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I remember when WebOS had unified messaging. Those were the days. 👴

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