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What did slavery look like in feudal times? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 8 months ago by destructor_rph@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

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I feel like i have a decent understanding of slavery in slave society like Roman times. I also feel like i understand mercantile/capitalist chattel slavery pretty well too. But, what did slavery look like under feudal times? Of course the socio-economic classes turned from slave/master to landlord/serf, but did slavery under feudalism look more like chattel slavery or roman slavery?

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

I think the best example of slavery under feudalism can be found in relatively modern times. The Russian empire under the Romanovs were the last absolute monarchs in Europe who still actively tied the peasantry to the land.

In Russia I think the best example of how powerless the serfs really were is in the drafting process for the military. The contracts could be 30-40 years, which was basically a lifetime. Conditions in the military were so bad their families would throw their sons funerals before they left.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know how good the Wikipedia page on it is, but it doesn’t seem to disagree with what little I know about it, so maybe it’s okay 🤷

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is just vibes by me, but I feel like Wikipedia can be fine if it's not a contentious political topic. AFAIK, no one is being asked to give up illicit wealth gained from their Middle Ages slaves.

Science articles tend to be decent, for different reasons.

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the real insidiousness of projects like Wikipedia and BBC. They are mostly written by normal people passionate about what they're doing, and are accurate in a majority of cases except for those that are damaging to liberalism.

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Adding onto my comment just in case some lib stumbles upon it weeks or months later and thinks "Tankies are delusional because it is more likely that he's being biased instead of a single section of wikipedia being biased when other sections are good"

Look up "CCP" and "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" and see how it's written. Go to the talk section to see the justification for writing it that way and see the anticommunist bias inherent in the system.