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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (38 children)

Cool but slippery slope Edit: I feel like a lot of people dont get it. For an example if you ban nazis and they get power they can ban the left side or trans people(etc you get the point). Also just banning stuff can screw up things. Same with allowing hitting someone for their (flawed) ideology. You have to assume that your enemies and also yourself dont have morals. Nazis think they are the good side(idk actually, im not a nazi). Violence and banning things should only be used as an extreme measure.

[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Nazis have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they must be exterminated at every opportunity. You know, there was that whole world war and a bunch of people died and stuff that you can't miss. Fuck Nazis.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Life is nothing but slippery slopes in all directions. Get used to it and stop falling for it as a line.

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your argument is the slippery slope fallacy. Nazis end game has been seen. They murder people. I don't hear Nazis saying we can coexist. You murder murderers. You silence people who want to permanently silence others. Idealistically silence them until they change their mind. Punching a Nazi might fix their brain damage at least make them think twice before they try to publicly express themselves

A slippery slope fallacy (SSF), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a fallacious argument in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.[1] The core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences. The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect. This is quantified in terms of what is known as the warrant (in this case, a demonstration of the process that leads to the significant effect). This type of argument is sometimes used as a form of fearmongering in which the probable consequences of a given action are exaggerated in an attempt to scare the audience. Black and white cartoon of a tall woman in a dress reaching her knees and a shorter man holding a bouquet. Both are in front of a robed figure. Each of the marrying couples has a couple of their same-sex and similar attire behind.

The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. In this sense, it constitutes an informal fallacy. Other idioms for the slippery slope fallacy are the thin end/edge of the wedge, the camel's nose in the tent, or If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

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[–] thesanewriter@vlemmy.net 9 points 1 year ago

Nah, they'll ban leftism and trans people either way. It's not like the Weimar Republic banned Nazism, and yet Hitler still banned every other political party and did the Holocaust. Fascist ideologies must be strangled in the cradle, so punching Nazis is fine.

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[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Reminder that Mahatma Ghandi was a plant by the UK government to stop the india independence movement, and delayed independence by decades. Also a pedophile. Nonviolent protest doesn't work.

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[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

At first I was a little uncomfortable with votes being visible on kbin, but I have to say, the small adjustment to my own habits is well worth being able to see who downvotes this kind of thing so I can pre-emptively block them and avoid ever interacting with such scum.

[–] Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Cringe take to glorify any violence for having an opinion even if its offensive just as yours could be equally offensive to them. If you say your feelings aren't hurt then you actually think violence is a good cause lol

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Genocide is the central defining feature of nazism. Why should anyone care about the opinions of nazis or what they find offensive?

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[–] python@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You also wanna make sure to get in the habit of punching with your thumb at the side of your fist and not in front of your index finger, cause you might otherwise break your own thumb on impact.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

Don't hold it inside your fingers either for the same reason.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I definitely appreciate any punch that gets thrown in a Nazi's direction, but I agree, stay safe. If you have a can of industrial strength bear mace, use that, instead. Really get in in their holes, too. Mouth, ear, and nose. If you are brave enough, try other holes, too. Every hole filled with bear mace is one less hole spewing vile hate speech.

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[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nazi punch, Nazi punch, Nazi punch! Fuck off!

[–] celerate@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My parents raised me with unfortunate views, as did the churches they forced me to attend. It was only through life experience did I come to realize they were wrong.

Violence didn't help me, it made me feel isolated and more inclined to think that those using violence against me didn't have rational arguments against my views.

Violence doesn't win arguments, and it should be a last resort, using it for instant gratification is a sure strategy to prolong conflict.

[–] Mutelogic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks for sharing a bit about your life. I'm very proud of you (however much that means) and agree 100% with what you wrote.

However, I have also been on the receiving end. The childhood experience of watching racists shout slurs at my parents in a grocery store has permanently impacted my perspective.

Many try to ignore or debate with racists for years, and the violence you see often is the last resort.

[–] Fezz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean that's a slapmnkt a punch but good effort.

Now I know Nazis are not known for many good things but given their leadership I though keeping facial hair neat would be one.

[–] boogetyboo@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why do these self-proclaimed superior race types always look like they smell like unwashed scalp and sour milk breath? A rattle of phlegm always present in the back of their throat when they speak.

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[–] TGhost@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Isnt there an community avalaible for this kinds of things regarding nazis ? if yes pls give it to me. If no, pls create it.

[–] vestigial@vlemmy.net 8 points 1 year ago

Punching the head isn't a great idea in general, it's better to just open palm it and save knuckles for the soft places. Better yet, just use your elbow or forearm, or a baseball bat.

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