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FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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[–] alphanerd4@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

counterpoint, its not either or. this is a false dichotomy the democrats created and maintain as a rhetorical device to silence dissent. i will never vote for joe biden. ill vote for.., a couple of democrats down ballot. and that is the extent of my interaction with the legitimate systems of democracy in the US. if you dont live in a swing state, the presidential race is, effectively, not real for you. this is a basic tenant of "american electoral politics" , or as I like to call it, a tenant of US Authoritarianism

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Except they are on a train and the tracks only lead off the cliff

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This entire post is just about keeping things the way they are and never allowing anything meaningful to change.

Also I love that in this analogy that Biden is ice cream. Very genuine post.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In the way things are, we are capable of taking direct action. Under dump, itll be much harder when we are a de jure dictatorship with anyone left of reagan criminalized.

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[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (15 children)

The most convincing argument I've heard for voting third party instead of for Genocide Joe is that liberals were more politically engaged and had more of an activist mentality under Trump.

Also, I've given consideration to the idea that "vote blue no matter who" types would likely vote for a more leftist Democrat than the ones currently being offered. In a long term strategy, if leftists refuse to vote for Democratic candidates who are too far right, then the Democrats would have to either try to appeal to the Trump demographic (which they do unfortunately do), or appeal to the leftist demographic until they get the leftist votes back.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 9 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Abstaining does not mean "you are okay with either option" abstaining is a vote for people not having a choice.

Idk if it is same in us, but we have what is called blank voting, which is a vote that could be that. But not voting is a fascist statement.

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[–] Piafraus@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Millions of people on the bus. Some vote to drive to place A. Some want to drive to place B. Neither is the cliff. But both A voters and B voters are using the bus-cliff false analogy to manipulate people to vote for their option.

In reality the chance that your vote would even affect the result is nearly zero.

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[–] pkill@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

or maybe, yk, hijack the bus to stop it because it is headed towards a cliff anyway, just the question is how fast it'll get there. This is what a revolution means.

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