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[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 82 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Ummm, have these numbnuts never heard of a VPN?

[–] Glass0448@lemmy.today 53 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They didn't even hear why this failed the first time.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If they are trying at great leghth to block IPs associated with piracy, it isn't that much harder to get known VPN IPs blocked too especially when they could use the 'why won't someone think of the children' card and claim VPNs are solely used for CSAM and drug markets.

The smart move would be to skip VPNs and move over to I2P. For those who don't know I2P is kinda like if tor and torrents had a baby that was a VPN on crack. Unlike a VPN where your traffic is encrypted and sent to one centralized server, I2P encrypts and routes your data through multiple servers and unlike tor every client by default is a node that data can be routed through.

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But at the same time I2P is still built upon TCP/IP so it's still like encrypted yodeling. Finding out who's likely yodeling down movies is rather easy. The protection instead lies in the high barrier to prove exactly which movie and when so as to pass the barrier for court admissable evidence.

Now don't misunderstand me, I2P is great stuff and I've used it on and off for years, but it shouldn't be treated as the holy grail of safe and secure communication. Nothing can truly be that if it's built on TCP/IP for fairly obvious reasons.

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm missing something but how could finding out who's yodeling a movie be rather easy when you would have to decrypt the traffic to determine if it was a movie and not just normal traffic? I get that because of TCP/IP you can tell someone is using I2P but wouldn't you have to compromise the garlic encryption layer to determine what exactly they are doing?

[–] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 4 points 7 months ago

That's what I'm saying. It's like everyone knows some college kids smoke pot from the smell in the dorms, but Police can't legally search room by room to find out who it is, they need a search warrant which they need more than a general suspicion that someone in the dorms smoke to get.

Same with I2P, it's done in a public setting so from traffic patterns we can be pretty sure someone is downloading a shit ton, and that it's likely illegal content. Residential IPs have little reason to consistently download several GB files on a daily/weekly basis, streaming and download also look vastly different profile wise and at least no one I know of go to those lengths to try and mask their traffic patterns by trying to make streaming look like download or vice versa.

But as I said and you reiterated, you still need to crack the encryption to actually prove it in court. But given a specific target there are many ways to do that. A generic approach is likely not going to happen. Which means that I2P is secure much like having a secret chat in a crowded place like Grand Central Station in NY. You know that people are meeting there to chat about illegal stuff but you don't know who. It becomes much easier if you know who to follow and eavesdrop on, but of course still not easy.

It is however nowhere near as safe as communication over channels that aren't public to begin with. But such of course do not exist outside military and other special contexts.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

It's true, it's not a silverbullet, but it's probably the next step to piracy and illegal content, IF someday they find a working solution to break torrent over the clearnet.

They already found a simple elegant working solution for the common user: Block at the DNS level in the router. While this works for most non techy user, most of us already use a VPN or know how to change the default DNS server.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 30 points 7 months ago

They want to make VPNs illegal too.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 14 points 7 months ago

VPN is very available but this would probably still stop the majority. It's like locks: it won't keep everyone out, just enough not to try.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 67 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

We've done this dance already.

  • Bully everyone and pass restrictive laws yields more piracy than ever, and a good crop of mentors for future pirates.
  • Build quality streaming services with excellent selection of media, and the piracy community shrinks. (Sad, when it happens, because there's evidence that wide-coverage digital media preservation is nearly impossible without the piracy community.)

It's almost like the Movie Industry doesn't care about any of the things they claim they care about...

Edit: I guess it's possible they're playing out a long con to ensure their favorite episodes of "I Love Lucy" survive...

Edit 2: No, I don't really think they're somehow secretly not the assholes they appear to be.

[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Time to invest in some foreign VPNs.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They will just ban VPN and make the punishment for being caught ridiculously draconian. Like terrorism charges.

[–] Blackout@kbin.run 19 points 7 months ago

If they take my piracy away I will have no choice but to become an anarchist.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 19 points 7 months ago

Awww, was the abuse from the DMCA not enough for them?

[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A site-blocking law would let copyright owners "request, in court, that Internet service providers block access to websites dedicated to sharing illegal, stolen content," he said. Rivkin claimed that in the US, piracy "steals hundreds of thousands of jobs from workers and tens of billions of dollars from ~~our economy~~ rich people's yacht money, including more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales."

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes. Theatre-going. The favorite pastime of Gen X, Millennials and Gen Z since the invention of streaming.

/s

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Fairly sure some of us would go if we could afford that billion dollar in theatre tickets.

[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The music industry adapted for the most part.

The movie industry is hanging on by fingernails.

When will they learn?

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The music industry adapted for the most part.

Did it, though?

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/17244.jpeg

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I demand I2P become the standard for filesharing. We don't all get what we want.

Anti Commercial AI thingyCC BY-NC-SA 4.0

Inserted with a keystroke running this script on linux with X11

#!/usr/bin/env nix-shell
#!nix-shell -i bash --packages xautomation xclip

sleep 0.2
(echo '
spoiler Anti Commercial AI thingy [CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/) Inserted with a keystroke running this script on linux with X11 ```bash' cat "$0" echo '``` :::') | xclip -selection clipboard xte "keydown Control_L" "key V" "keyup Control_L"

:::

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully this doesn't affect quad9 or cloud flare DNS, or I might have to go back to running a root resolver. The horrors.

[–] Achsonaja@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why not run unbound for a recursive resolver? Seems like a more private DNS solution

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have straight bind running on my network already for local zones, it would be easy enough to switch it to be a root resolver. The only problem is it's a lot slower. I use DoT to cloudflare for non-local zones (using blocky); if you run a root resolver, your DNS traffic is all in the clear. Not like it truly matters but I wouldn't put it past my ISP to do DPI on DNS traffic to try to sell my data.

[–] safesyrup@lemmy.hogru.ch 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Do you know if cloudflare is privacy respecting? I know quad9 certainly is

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

is it though? what makes it trustworthy?

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 2 points 7 months ago

I trust them more than my ISP (Verizon). Quad9 is, and I used it for some time as an upstream, but it is markedly slower for me than cloudflare. Those milliseconds add up for an impatient asshole like myself.

[–] manwohats@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

for everytime Movie Industry tells ISP to block pirates, there is more smart pirates who can find away around the block!

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's fine. They don't care about a few really good pirates, they care about many low tech pirates.

[–] manwohats@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

true or the low tech aol.com pirates even :) just saying!