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Hamas Wants Guarantees Ceasefire Will Actually Happen, While US Says Hamas Is Rejecting the Proposal (truthout.org)

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Following the UN Security Council vote to approve a three-phase ceasefire in Gaza, U.S. officials and other international allies of Israel are cynically placing blame on Hamas for a stall in current ceasefire negotiations — even as Israel has insisted on indefinitely continuing its massacre in Gaza and Hamas has said its main request is a guarantee that Israel would actually honor the ceasefire.

But reports from a wide variety of news sources on how both Israel and Hamas are approaching the ceasefire proposal suggest that Blinken is lying about which party is accepting of the deal. Indeed, reports have found that it is actually Israel that won’t agree to the deal’s framework: an immediate ceasefire with a limited prisoner and hostage exchange, then a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza, and ultimately the reconstruction of Gaza and return of Palestinians to their homes.

Israel’s insistence on continuing its genocide has been consistent throughout the last eight months, including in reaction to the most recent ceasefire proposals of the past weeks. Officials have said Israel will only stop bombarding Gaza when they decide that Hamas has been eliminated and Palestinians there no longer pose a threat to Israel — a pledge that requires the mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians, as military procedures and Israel’s own public statements have shown.

But the main demand from Hamas appears to be straightforward, according to other officials familiar with the negotiations. Multiple outlets citing such sources have echoed what Hamas officials have said: that they are primarily concerned with getting guarantees from the U.S. and Israel that the deal will actually lead to a ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza.

Specifically, Hamas is concerned about a lack of assurances from the current proposal about the transition between the first and second phases of the plan, Reuters reports, citing multiple sources involved with the talks. The first phase involves a six-week ceasefire, with the release of some Israeli hostages, while the second phase calls for a permanent ceasefire and Israeli troop withdrawal.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The Biden Administration is happily an active Israeli Hasbara propagandist.

The second most sad things in all this situation (after what's happening to Palestinians) is how the upcoming US election is turns out to be between Administration openly supporting "quasi-Nazis" because of their ethnicity and even spreading Himmler-style propaganda and Fascists.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I’m pro-palestine as fuck. But can’t we have a higher standard for sourcing please.

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[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

First day on Lemmy?

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[-] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Side note:

It's apparent that the U.S. has invested into this war beyond just funding / weapons. In the recent massacre, there were reports from Palestinians that U.S. soldiers were presently injuring and killing people. It appears that Hamas was right all along regarding that aid dock/pier. It wasn't for aid.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

This is propaganda designed to justify an attack on the pier. If the pier is attacked, Palestinians will starve. Hamas wants Palestinians to starve to gain more sympathy (and donation $$$) from abroad.

I mean come on, do you think the IDF lacks special forces capabilities to the degree they'd need to bring in US special forces to help them? And even if they did, why would the US launch a special forces operation from a pier instead of simply flying a helicopter from an aircraft carrier? Or just tagging along with the IDF from an Israeli base? Why would they ever use the pier for this purpose?

Hamas is spreading obvious propaganda which falls apart with even two seconds of critical thinking. This is the kind of shit that could result in Palestinians starving, if you care at all about the people there, don't spread obvious lies.

[-] StaySquared@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Wat. If Hamas wanted Palestinians to starve.. then why is it the Israelis that were stopping aid trucks and destroying the aid packages? Why wasn't Hamas destroying the aid trucks?

For one, Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program.

There's multiple reports stating that the naval pier constructed by US forces on Gaza's shore was used in the attack on the Nuseirat, with ground forces launching from this pier. And witnesses reporting that U.S. soldiers breeching homes/buildings during the attack.

You claim that Hamas spreads "obvious" propaganda, yet it is Israel who has pushed the most atrocious propaganda and all of it was a lie, all of it. And the U.S. government is just as complicit, especially for trying to take down TikTok, trying to push the anti-semitism bill/law in the U.S., violating our first amendment right, outlawing BDS in some of the states in the U.S., again violating our first amendment right (that's three acts of treason against the U.S. Constitution) and each congressman/woman, at least on the republican side, having AIPAC handlers. Each one apparently has an assigned Israeli whispering into the ears of our representatives.

Btw, seems like Netanyahu was right, Americans are easy to control.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 months ago

You're trying to distract from the facts at hand. US installs a pier to bring in aid. Hamas spreads obvious propaganda about the pier being for special forces operations. Which is completely insane (special forces don't need a pier!) but people are buying it.

Why would Hamas spread this propaganda? Probably just generic "US bad" kind of thing. But we can't dismiss the possibility they want images of people starving for propaganda purposes.

I mean if you're buying the propaganda that the pier isn't for humanitarian purposes then they can attack the pier and get images of people starving and you will blame the US and Israel for those images and won't consider that Hamas might be to blame for it.

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Through the pier, the US can pretend to be aid. Tbh, it sounds like something they would do.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

Do you think it's pretend trucks carrying pretend food from that pier?

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Uh huh. Un security is dubious at best anyway

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Better than a violent occupying force

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