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I know this might be a couple months old, but I didn't know we already passed 4%.

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[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 80 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I don't think Microsoft (or Apple) want people to have personal computers anymore in the way that PCs have historically existed. That is to say, they don't want your computer capable of running arbitrary code of your choosing. They don't want your computer to have the potential to do everything, to run everything, to make anything.

They want to control and lock down all aspects of your machine and what it can do, retain ownership of hardware via software licenses, and monetize every click and keystroke.

Microsoft doesn't want you to have a functional computer anymore, they want you to have a dummy terminal that runs Office 365 and Copilot.

[–] ericjmorey@programming.dev 16 points 4 months ago

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy - Ida Auken

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They want PCs that work like smartphones, with apps completely self contained and unmodifiable, where the OS is a black box that no one but them can see in to.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Smartphones are actually a good window into what computers in general would have been like had the IBM bios not been reverse engineered and survived a bunch of legal challenges.

[–] egeres@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think if it was up to them, and latency was low enough, they probably would have pushed some kind of "fully remote convertible laptop" where they literally own everything you do in a cloud, I don't even want to search if this is a thing that exist already

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[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 72 points 4 months ago (12 children)

I've had LMDE on a USB stick for a few months now, waiting for the right time to boot it up on my wife's PC, and she finally agreed to try it tonight. Cross your fingers, boys; we may soon have another convert.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If she doesn't like it, find a new wife!

[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

/r/relationship_advice is leaking.

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[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 months ago (16 children)

How much of this is decline at the expense of Windows 11, due to Steam lowering barriers to entry, fatigue with Windows' hard selling, and/or extending the useful like of hardware that W11 abandoned.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Copilot / Recall was the last straw for me. My only relationship with Microsoft for the last 10 years has been, "how much more of Microsoft's sh*t am I willing to put up with?"

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I 100% put money on the fact that linuxes surge in popularity and usability is 100% because Valve, a multi-billion dollar company, stepped in and started dragging it forward in ways that the fractuous nature of the community never could.

Windows 11 being a spytastic invasive dogpile was just extra fuel on the fire.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

First off, I DO NOT count ChromeOS, but whatever.

Secondly, when is 18% of anything “dominant”??? The fuck? Arstechnica back up off the pipe.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They probably mean of Linux flavored ps coverage.

(I'm aware Mac is very different than Linux, but it is more closely grouped with Linux than Windows)

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Played csgo last night and this guy brought up he was playing on Linux Mint. Lfg, I was so happy.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's cool and all, but I'm surprised it's not 10% at this point. Microsoft is shitting in their customers mouth and Apple is a luxury brand at this point.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because every computer bought by the average human being, has Windows on it.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

4% is high considering there are probably more corporate desktops tham personal ones

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For desktop or everything else. Because if its:

Web Servers, Supercomputers, Android Smartphones, Smart TVs, Network Routers, Network Switches, Embedded Devices, IoT Devices, NAS (Network-Attached Storage) Devices, Raspberry Pi, Smartwatches, Home Automation Devices, Google Chromebooks, Set-top Boxes, Drones, Digital Signage Devices, 3D Printers, Medical Devices, ATM Machines, Point of Sale (POS) Devices, Digital Cameras, Gaming Consoles, Virtual Private Servers (VPS), Automotive Infotainment Devices, Mainframes, Telecommunications Equipment, Scientific Research Equipment, Security Devices, Cloud Servers, Network Firewalls, Storage Area Networks (SAN), Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Devices, Customer Relationship Management (CRM) Devices, Big Data Analytics Devices, Machine Learning Devices, Artificial Intelligence Devices, Financial Trading Devices, Air Traffic Control Devices, Spacecraft Control Devices, Weather Forecasting Devices, Broadcast Automation Devices, Railway Signaling Devices, Electric Grid Control Devices, Smart Meters, E-Readers, Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Stations, Robotics Devices

then Linux (or some kind of *Nix system) is probably what is running it. The only market share I dont see is desktop.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Linux founder Linus Torvalds, for example, has suggested that a lack of a standardized desktop that goes across all Linux distros has held back Linux adoption on desktop.

Yeah. Well, in on Linux in large part because of the diversity, choice, and options. If I wanted a monolithic, incestuous lock-in culture, I'd be on Windows, or a Mac.

Linux may have been simply making an observation, not a judgment, but fuck monocultures.

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[–] nossaquesapao 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder to take the data in that site with a grain of salt. I used to share them a lot, but then decided to read more about their methodology, and turns out it's mostly a black box, so they may be subject to several kinds of biases, and we can't even know. For example, we don't know which sites use their analytics and if there's a geographical bias. We also don't know how their scripts work and how the data is collected from devices. It would be nice if we had more sources of marketshare data to compare

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

For sure, I wish they gave us more data. The trend seems to be going up so that's nice.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 months ago

Glad for Linux going up, but the numbers should really come from Windows more than from MacOS.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Yes, this was big news all over Lemmy when it happened.

Thanks for bringing it up though! Not everyone might have known that.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Three cheers for King Torvalds and Lord Gaben!

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

How much of this is regular people just not buying new computers anymore?

A lot of households that used to have had a laptop for each person have replaced those devices with phones and tablets. They weren't using Linux, so by removing them Linux market share would go up even if it hasn't actually grown.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Music and graphic art software is the only advantage I can find for MacOS over Linux at this point. I love the Apple silicon but I don't see that being a long term advantage.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Stability and UI/UX are still lightyears ahead in Mac, and to some extent Windows. Don't get me wrong, they suck for lots of reasons, but I think Linux has a lot of catching up to do to be as usable as Mac/Windows for the ordinary user.

I think standardizing package formats, and more mature desktop managers and proprietary drivers will go a long way to fixing that though.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (8 children)

People find Windows easier to use because they are used to the quirks. Of course you shouldn't let a beginner try Arch, but there are plenty of beginner friendly distros. The complications often come from installing Linux in the first place but the average user will have just as much trouble installing Windows.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think most users dont install windows period. It just comes with the computer. And if it breaks, they get a new one. Thats it.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's my point. If people could buy Linux PCs at Best Buy or Walmart, most of them would get on with it just fine.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Agree. Windows has almost a forty year “quirk bake-in”. All your relatives and non-savvy friends are NOT going to learn anything new (even mac) if they can help it.

The more droolproof linux can be the easier it will be adopted. Whether or not it mimics windows is a choice, but either way we’re losing computer literacy instead of everyone being computer literate. Sadly.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 4 points 4 months ago

It’s not even that.

By and large, most industry standard softwares are only available on Windows and macOS. Take word processing for example. It doesn’t matter if there are open source alternatives that gets it 95% of the way there. Companies by and large would not want to run the risk of that last 5% (1%, 0.01% doesn’t matter) creating a situation where there’s misunderstanding with another business entity. Companies will by and large continue to purchase and expect their employees to use these standard softwares. People will by and large continue to train themselves to use these softwares so they have employable skills so they can put food on the table.

No one cares about how easy or hard it is to install something. IT (or local brick and mortar computer retailer) takes care of all that. Whether or not it is compatible with consistently making money / putting food on the table is way more important.

Until we have Microsoft Office for Linux; Adobe Creative Suite for Linux; Autodeks AutoCAD for Linux; etc etc. not even the janky “Microsoft Office for Mac” little cousin implementation but proper actual first party for Linux releases, it is unlikely we’ll see competitive level of Linux desktop adoption.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 8 points 4 months ago (13 children)

What is your definition of stability lol

Windows crashes are standard... Linux are pretty rare. At least in my exp

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[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"dominance"... You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What happened in Nov 2023?

OSX and Windows move in opposite directions at the same time? Seems a little weird.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] thenumbernine@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

Since Unknown matches Windows only inverted some windows update was probably unclassified for that time period.

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