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/e/OS - Murena Smartphones (monero.town)

submitted 1 year ago by Wave@monero.town to c/technology@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://monero.town/post/444500

Your data is YOUR data!

An iPhone or an Android smartphone collects several megabytes of your personal data every day to Google Servers, even when it is inactive.

Murena smartphones have been designed to offer a different approach to users who care about privacy and data-hungry handsets.

Those smartphones are running the open-source “/e/OS” operating system, which is fully “deGoogled”: by default it doesn’t send any data to Google and it’s been designed to offer a great and natural user experience.

/e/OS is paired with carefully selected applications. They form a privacy-enabled internal system for your Murena smartphone. And it’s not just claims: open-source means auditable privacy.

https://murena.com

https://e.foundation

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[–] Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It looks like these are Android phones that have just been rooted and had a different os installed.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fairphone officially supports /e/OS devices

Also Android devices don't need to be rooted to install an alternative OS

[–] Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you install an alternate os if the phone isn't rootable? Everything I've tried starts with rooting, and there's not a way to root my particular phone.

[–] fulano 5 points 1 year ago

Depends on the device. Some allow the bootloader to be unlocked officially. Root is usually needed when you unlock the bootloader unofficially, using some hack.

Also, /e/os supports an official gsi, which can be installed without root.

That said, these phones aren't suited for people that need absolute security and privacy. They're more experimental and aimed at enthusiasts of the project who want to support it.

I can see why eos raises some concerns, but i find it to be an interesting alternative with moderate potential. We definitely need more alternatives to standard android.

[–] Wave@monero.town 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really more about the eOS.

[–] Karlos_Cantana@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm probably just overly paranoid, but I don't trust that Google, in particular, would make the most easily rooted phone (Pixel) without burying something beneath the os that still tracks things.

I'm more excited about something akin to the Fairphone that's built from the ground up with no relationship to Google.

[–] Wave@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

You are not alone with this thoughts. Purism

https://puri.sm

offers phones that have the open source deeply in mind. You can even check xRays of their board.

[–] goosegooseboat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone that happens to using e/os on a phone with an unofficial device. You are technically correct. They offer custom Roms for a variety of devices that you can install however they also have their own range of devices which admittedly is lack luster in terms of price to performance. From what I gather those devices try to follow in the footsteps of the Fairphone but with all the growing pains of a startup... I like the os. they offer cloud services as an addon that you can pay for which is based on nextcloud. The integration with the cloud services in surprisingly deep. Coming back to the fact that its based on nextcloud you also have the option to self host (which I recommend) and still benefit from the tight integration and that aspect alone is a major reason why I'm still using it. Gallery, notes,backups,cloud storage. All the Google like service's built in but without the Google

[–] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The biggest problem I've had with e/OS is the lack of apps. Banking apps, official apps, etc. All require Google Play most of the time. As an Android developer, I know how to make this work, but the average user won't.

I haven't tried in two years. Maybe things have changed.

[–] Wave@monero.town 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

With Aurora store you can install all Apps, no matter of banking apps or other Android apps.

[–] goosegooseboat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Worth mentioning to those unfamiliar with e/os is it comes with a built in app store "app lounge" that also has access to play store apps so you don't even need to go to the effort of installing aurora. One less thing you have to do

[–] kftX@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately not ALL apps. Certain apps have checks in place to detect if they were installed from the Play Store or not, and if they don't, they won't start and ask you to reinstall. I have to be careful ful which apps I update through Aurora.

It's absolute horseshit and goes against the entire open ecosystem thing but what can we do.

That being said with how ad ridden the Play Store is, I'm glad I never have to open it unless it's to open one of those stupid apps.

[–] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have yet to be able to install anything from Aurora. The account is always limit exceeded or something like that.

I'm sure there's a workaround but it's not a plug and play solution for everyone.

This is not e/OS's fault though.

[–] sky@codesink.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, the anonymous accounts are kind of annoying. If I go into the settings and swap 2-3 times I'll usually get one that works and lets me search. I've installed 6 or so apps this way.

[–] Gryzor@lemmyfly.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna keep trying :)

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn’t true. Most financial apps won’t work without a clear SafetyNet report.

[–] Wave@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

I had several different banking apps, in different countries.

[–] codenul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

What's wrong with just using the web for apps that don't work. Most sites these days are designed for mobile screens nowadays. I typically use the web for my bank and there's no issues. Just got to know your password. Same thing for Facebook.

I use /e/is and I like it. Having a built in tracker blocker is nice.

[–] goosegooseboat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I can't personally speak on the banking side. e/os has micro g implemented now, and on my device it passes the safety checks associated with it. To be fair though I can't give a full endorsement for how well micro g works as a whole (I'm not logged in) In general I've shifted to FOSS apps so my sample size for google play services reliant apps is limited but the one's I have used, open fine without annoying pop up errors.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think you're confusing rooting with unlocking the bootloader. These most definitely have the bootloader unlocked, or at least, it had to be unlocked to replace the OS (sometimes it can be re-locked after), but they aren't necessarily rooted.

Bootloader unlocking is officially supported by many manufacturers (though your warranty is voided), and allows modifying the OS, which might be rooting, or completely replacing the OS (and the new OS might not be rooted).

Rooting, instead, just means becoming "root" (superuser, admin) on the device, which allows (almost) complete control over it.

[–] ku10@kerala.party -2 points 1 year ago

You could say the same about a Kindle

[–] zweieuro@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I've been using e os every since the fairphone 4 hit the market (and I got it quite fast). I think it's absolutely great. A caveat which is funny to me and I like: Since the playstore service is missing, and micro G sinks every server request to Google, in app purchases via those systems are simply not a thing. Personally I love this si ce I have never needed or want to buy anything from any app; but it's incredible to me that any ad that even tried to load, can't

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't like /e/OS because of privacy reasons and other things

[–] Wave@monero.town 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

eOS is privacy enhancing smartphones!

[–] fulano 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate about the privacy part?

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't find the sources (still looking) but there one that /e/OS have trackers on their emails every time they sent one and most of the apps on their store are outdated

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Apparently, the sources are here: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e

You're right though, I couldn't find the link anywhere on their website. I had to go to the forum where somebody asked

[–] codenul@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would like to see some sources if you got them. Currently use /e/os and would like to do more research.

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here you go

[–] Wave@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting, but the textfile is now 9 month old and eOS brings regularly (monthly) updates! If you forward the suggestions to them it could maybe be helpful to them, you could probably file pullrequests. I think they're improving.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ok, what is divestos.org, and what is this page, and how does it relate to /e/OS? where does it say /e/OS ~~apps have trackers~~ (edit: see replies) has privacy issues, and what evidence are they showing? Not saying it isn't true, but what are we looking at?

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also I didn't say their app have trackers but their newsletters have trackers and the apps are sometimes outdated for short amount of time (like months)

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Right, sorry. Still, most companies do this (e.g. emails from my bank) and you just need to block remote images. Still, from a company that makes privacy one of their selling point ...

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Divest OS is a fully open source android distribution for older and newly phones. And the newsletter may contain trackers as stated here.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok so, DivestOS is a completely different project than eOS ... So how does it relate with privacy issues with eOS and e.foundation? is DivestOS a fork or eOS, or ... ?

[–] Zyban@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Divest OS was pointing out the different of other OS like Lineage OS, Grahpene OS, and that French OS. Divest OS was comparing their security, updates, source code and other things to other OSes which states here

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ok, this link now explains what we are looking at, and who is making these claims. thanks