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J.D. Vance’s ‘stolen valor’ claim against Tim Walz is total B.S. (www.rollingstone.com)

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 147 points 3 months ago

"Come to think of it, denigrating the worth of a soldier’s service based on whether he deployed to a war zone is… kind of like denigrating the worth of a woman’s citizenship based on whether she happens to have children.”

— Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, on X, defending Gov. Tim Walz against accusations by Sen. J.D. Vance.

Damn Pete, you did it again...

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

Buttigieg is like the bouncer, but for social media.

[-] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I was thinking it is almost its own form of stolen valor, but I'm not a vet, so my opinions remain just that.

Edit: "it" being to denigrate Waltz's honorable and valued service, in case that wasn't clear

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not only that, but for JD Vance to act like his service was real service while Walz wasn't is just insulting to over 90% of the military that didn't deploy to a combat zone. Neither of them chose where to deploy. The military chooses for you. Also, Vance was in motherfucking public affairs. ~~Dude had a cushy ass job, probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases. He's acting like he was Ricky Recon fighting in Fallujah.~~ Additionally, Vance did 4 years, while Walz did 24 years. Walz also deployed to disaster response and got a fancy award called Nebraska Citizen-Soldier of the Year. Vance is being pathetic with his miltary superiority bs.

Edit: I was mistaken. It seems like he escorted journalists around and helped Iraqis, so he performed important and dangerous tasks.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

The greasy weasel is gatekeeping.

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 3 months ago

The greasy weasel is gatekeeping.

He is, right‽

[-] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

There's a pretty high number of combat veterans who feel superior to the rest of us with non-combat roles. Humans get clique-y in every space it seems.

[-] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 3 months ago

Dude had a cushy ass job, probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases.

I heard his role involved escorting journalists around Iraq, but yes, it seems he never experienced combat. ^[1]

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 3 months ago

Look who's talking shit about someone's military service now! ^it's me. I'm the one talking shit.^ 😬🤦‍♂️

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

probably spending his time checking grammar errors in press releases.

He was educated under No Child Left Behind. Is he capable of that job?

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago

The article comes to a proper conclusion with this paragraph.

Twenty-four years of service is nothing to sneeze at, and Vance is running alongside a known draft dodger who has repeatedly disparaged veterans and Gold Star families. If Vance wants to critique a man’s honor, he should start with his running mate.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago

I just can't help but wonder what Vance's tactic was here. Pointing out a Democrat's military service is only going to further shine a light onto Trump's lack of it.

Did Vance even serve?

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes. He did 4 years and was stationed in Iraq where he did not see combat because as he was assigned to public affairs and spent his time in an air conditioned office writing press releases.

Vance, who served in the Marines from 2003 to 2007 and deployed to Iraq, has said in his memoir that he never saw real combat and that he worked in the public affairs department while on deployment.

/Edit to add link

//2nd Edit to add that I don't mean to disparage Vance's service, only to point out the hypocrisy of him attacking another veteran for not seeing combat while he himself admits that he never saw combat.

[-] Maven@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Vance served in Iraq though he never saw combat himself.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah. Private Bonespurs.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

That's Cadet Bone Spurs, to you. He never actually held any rank, not even private. (Thanks to Senator Tammy Duckworth for that appellation, btw).

[-] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 68 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Vance's claim that Walz abandoned his unit to avoid deployment to Iraq -- which has been echoed throughout the right -- was directly countered by Army Lt. Col. Ryan Rossman, director of operations for the Minnesota National Guard, who spoke to HuffPost.

The unit "received an alert order for mobilization to Iraq on July 14, 2005," Rossman said, two months after Walz retired. According to CNN, Walz first filed his paperwork to run for Congress in January of that same year, and -- as several veterans have noted -- the administrative process of a military retirement typically takes several months before approval. His unit would not deploy to Iraq until March of 2006.

JustseemingDesperate Vance is lying about as much as his idol

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Dumbass doesn't even know what stolen valor is. Walz never claimed to be an Iraq combat vet.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Article I saw yesterday says Walz left at 41 and a year before his unit was deployed. Maybe I’m ignorant of how the military operates but a year? It seems like he likely wouldn’t have known it was coming.

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Yeah, but he had a DUI once and I DO NOT VOTE FOR CRIMINALS. So, I have to vote for Trump.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 15 points 3 months ago

Yeah, misdemeanor has more letters than felony so it just be worse!

[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Even if he had suspicions, he'd been in service for 24 years, which is huge.

If I worked for someone for 24 years and they looked like they wanted to go fight overseas, I'd absolutely consider retirement as well.

Service to your country isn't accomplished exclusively by going overseas to shoot people.

Republicans are literally speed running a 100% completed anti-christ identity. Not even in the specific 'end of days antichrist', but like literally, specifically, the complete opposite of absolutely everything their Christian deity Jesus stood for.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

The deployment was announced months after he put in for retirement.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

Do you have a source? This seems pretty fair to assume either way but I will inevitably need to argue with family about this and i like to keep my positions airtight lol

[-] finley@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Yes. The Minnesota National Guard is the source of this information.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Did they make an official statement or something? Is there somewhere I can look up the deployment/claim? Again I take this as very likely true at face value. It makes sense and enough people have said it at this point that it seems like it’s likely the case. But I just like to always double check these things for myself. This is not skepticism it’s just a good personal policy.

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[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

It's fair to ask.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-military-record/

He filed his campaign paperwork in February 2005, which would have necessitated his retirement. In March the MN Guard announced a partial deployment but his unit wasn't specifically told they were deploying, he retired in May, his unit received orders to deploy in July.

[-] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Thank you this is helpful!

[-] finley@lemm.ee 40 points 3 months ago

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

Why is there any rank dispute?

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 34 points 3 months ago

Because facts don't matter to their feelings.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 37 points 3 months ago

he's gotta do something to distract attention away from his couch fucking

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

J.D. Vance did not fuck a couch. Please stop saying that J.D. fucked a couch. J.D. never once fucked a couch and he never will fuck a couch. I will deny that J.D. Vance fucked a couch forever and ever, because J.D. Vance, candidate for Vice President of the United States of America DID NOT fuck a couch. But I would believe it if it were true.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 months ago

[-] Assman@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

he never will fuck a couch

At least keep an open mind 😏

[-] DigiDemiFiend@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Pump the brakes a little bit, you can't say he never did it. You can say there's no proof he ever fucked a couch. We may never know.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Doesn't this move just call attention to Trump's "bone spurs"? It should.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Here you go, couchfucker: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I see where JD is coming from. He's coming from his dick which is currently placed in an Uptown Black Leather 84'' Sofa at Bob's Discount Furniture on Monroe St in Toledo, OH.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 months ago

BS and a weird thing to do

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

And where was Trump at during the Vietnam war when he was supposed to be called up for duty...?

Honestly, I think Trump should own that one and just come out and say, "I thought it was an unjust war and I didn't want to participate in it," but that undercuts the attack they're trying to make against Walz, which is already a pretty weak argument as it is. Plus, it makes Trump look like a coward (amongst Republicans).

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

...which he is though. He's dodging debates imagine combat

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Says the creepy former marine who is a little too interested in marine life.

[-] FewerWheels@mander.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

What are Cadet Bone Spurs thoughts on this? Oh yeah, he thinks veterans are suckers.

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

No one knows. He’s been oddly absent and silent except for a couple plaintive wails on truth social. For which I am grateful. The joyful warrior schtick is much more palatable fare for the 24hr news cycle.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

It is all over x now. Every bot is now spewing this lie after every Harris/Waltz post.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Elon Musk feverishly boosting them in the background in a desperate attempt to save his dream of being an untouchable oligarch

[-] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago

Swiftboat 2?

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