Vim is crap. If a fucking text editor is hard to master, it's just a bad text editor.
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I respectfully disagree. Vim is an excellent editor and is the centerpiece of my dev tools. Counting out the newer features in Neovim like language server and treesitter support, traditional Vim is still a powerful modal text editor with robust features like text objects, macros, sed-like search and replace, rich syntax highlighting, code folding, online help, endless customizability through scripting, and multiple ways to exit. It is an acquired taste though, and I understand it's not for everyone.
Exactly, you wouldn't say that to your grandma ! only to other sysadmin sect members.
I like how this is so controversial, 12 upvotes 12 downvotes
tools with a high learning curve generally have a high payoff
It may seem that way because it's a complete paradigm shift of how you interact with an editor. Once you understand that, then it becomes a very valuable tool that will make you more efficient. It is a big time investment but the payoff is worth it.
I still need to use IDEs for software development at work but I have to have some sort of Vim emulation on top of them.
I am curious
How does it pay off?
Ive used vim to edit some git commits. Thats really it
But a colleague use it for coding
It helped me break the habit of needing to use arrow keys / mouse for navigating around text. Why is this important? The 1-2 seconds to reach over from home row add up. For example, instead of scrolling the mouse several turns to get to the top of a file, I can just type gg. All without needing to strain my wrist to reach over for the less efficient methods.
Once you master navigation with just keyboard (sans arrow keys) you really feel like a speed demon and the alternative begins to feel clunky. It may not seem like it at first because you have to retrain the way you interact with text files that goes against the habits you're used too.
Apart from that, for any sort of Linux server management, vim or vi are usually installed so it's a good skill to have if you quickly need to tweak a config for example. Nano works but is less efficient from an editing perspective.
I work in the terminal a lot and also use tmux with vim keybindings. I love being able to navigate entirely mouse free.
I use Vim emulation wherever possible. I enjoy using a web browser with vim keybindings to navigate around and reduce mouse usage. Vim is a paradigm that many tools incorporate or have plugins to do so because it is just that useful once you learn it.
Vim is not meant to be an IDE. Things like intellisense don't work (as) well from my experience. But I just use vim plugins in my IDEs so I can get best of both.
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just use windows plebs it just works durr durr
Closing nano is more complicated imo
Nano is overrated. I tell everyone who needs to edit from the terminal to use vimtutor. You'll never go back to Nano.
Nano is the MS notepad of Linux. No more, no less. You don't have the initial cost of learning vim with nano but in the end you're working more. I really don't understand how people can be productive without things like complex regexps, global commands, piping from the editor, etc.
Learning the basics of vim makes setting up a Linux system a lot easier. That's all I'm saying. You don't need to learn regexes or anything like that.
I totally agree. The point is that learning the more advanced features will pay off in the future.
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