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JD Vance says US could veto NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms
(www.independent.co.uk)
Musk's donations to the Trump campaign taking center stage.
this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2024
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I think it's Musk's backers, the Russians who helped fund the twitter acquisition, who are really taking center stage.
Lots of talk about Europe and NATO means they're pushing hard for those talking points.
it was the saudi's not russians who backed the twitter accusation
"the twitter accusation"?
Did google translate barf on ya? Anyway, you're both right: https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/2a00ce74-6d58-4f8e-bc2c-1bb820ee4705.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_10
Plus those wiley Canadian banks and some douchebag named "Larry Ellison"
It's just such a weird turn of events that the Saudies and Russians finance the platform that is touted as the true free speech platform (especially by republicans) - to further undermine the US and other democracies.
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“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.
The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.
😂😂😂
"I'm not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives, but I’m going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives!"
Hate and Ignorance: The American Way™
WOAH there, slow down a bit.
He would never go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives.
He will send OTHER people, no point in getting his shoes dirty by actually going there.
It's an American tradition.
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It's an amazing thing to say you can abandon a military Alliance because a campaign donor ask you to.
That's just how the Trumpies do business. "Give me what I want or I'm leaving" is how Trump claimed he renegotiated NAFTA and reworked the US / China trade relationship and was allegedly going to forge an Amazing Massive Incredibly Lucrative New Deal with the then-Brexit-ing UK.
Far more often than not, the renegotiation just involves bribing Trump and his immediate crony base of support in order to leave existing policies alone. That is, incidentally, how Trump left the back door to Mexico open for Chinese EV imports, despite claiming it was the bestest renegotiation of a trade deal in the history of ever.
If Vance is ever in a position of authority, there's little doubt he'll be at some NATO summit demanding everyone in Germany buy a copy of Hillbilly Elegy in order to get him to STFU about a pull out.
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“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,”
So he's not just a weird couch fucker, he's also totally ignorant of US foreign policy over the last hundred years.
“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,”
What a weird thing for someone who served* in Iraq to say.
*Vance served in Iraq the same way he fucks couches: from the rear.
He "served" in the PR office.
Trying to manipulate public opinion and distort facts has been his entire career.
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The fact checking in this article is perfect lol
“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. I think we can do both. But we’ve got to say American power comes with certain strings attached. One of those is respect free speech, especially in our European allies.”
Musk has been accused of banning several journalists since taking over Twitter, now X.
“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”
The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.
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So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?
JD, buddy, what you don't understand is that Europe's free speech is far more free than the US.
Americans have a tendency to think they have everything and everyone else has nothing. Until we go somewhere else and discover it's the other way around.
JD: But Germany banned the Nazi symbol! One of the few free speech things I care about!
Europe's free speech is far more free than the US
But not Europes FREEZEPEACH(tm)! And freezepeach is all that matters
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The gall of saying, that entirely different culture that's been around for longer than our country, they should have our same values, right after calling them backwoods countries. The extreme narcissist egoism is palpable and disgusting.
He didn't call the Europeans "backwoods countries". He called those other places that. He specifically says that European countries should be more like us, for all the ~~white~~ right reasons....
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The same Elon Musk who asked why no one is trying to assassinate Harris/Biden? Maybe using your huge platform to become a national security threat should result in sanctions.
The fact that he's so rich because of government contracts is infuriating
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This is why Europe must take control of its own defense. Europe doesn't want to be a mere vassal of the US for precisely this reason.
Also parts of nato are not part of eu. Like the the UK.
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Lol, soon he'll ask NATO military communication to use Twitter
what the fuck is the link between a shit platform and military alliance
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If Trump becomes president we should embargo the US like Russia since he's Putins lapdog
Ah yes, the law of equivalent exchange. Force a private company to adhere to your laws? No defensive military pact for you.
He must have shouted that quote so that the interviewer could hear him with his head so far up Elon's ass
One of the most frustrating things about the trump trash is the push to drive the us out of europe. Because america can only swing its dick for so long until we’re not welcome, especially if there’s a general european war with russia and the we sat it out.
I'm glad he is such a bad running mate. He doesn't have a single redeeming quality.. God help us if these people get the white house (again), but everyone involved seems to be trying their hardest to prevent that.
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I didn't know we need to regulate Elon Musk's platforms. Now I do!
This man is a hazard to global safety and security.
NATO membership benefits US interests in so many ways, it’s ridiculous how quickly the Republicans have become a total party of quislings
Is this guy Trump's VP pick because he's the only person he could find that talks like Trump? The guy's a rotting word salad machine
NATO and EU overlap, but are different.
EU can straight up send Elon on a one way ticket to space and I hope the US does nothing
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Any excuse is good enough for Jorkin De Peanus to pull out of NATO.
We don't need the USA anymore
fuck the republican party and especially fuck elon musk.
Sad loser thinks saying even dumber things will surely get people to like him this time!
See. stuff like this is how you get the threat to democracy "rhetoric"
While you can imagine "Tim Walz says US could support NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms".
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