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From the guy's own mouth.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

The closest thing to the lie you wrote is the part where it says Putin demanded that NATO stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign country. So he's invading Ukraine because NATO didn't allow him to annex Ukraine Anschluss and annexation of Sudetenland style. And if you think that would help, remember that appeasing Putin over Georgia and, effectively, over Crimea and Donbass didn't do shit to stop his aggression.

Besides the document implies what was already obvious, which is that, before the war, Ukraine wasn't even going to be allowed into NATO any time soon, NATO countries just couldn't sign an agreement that would limit Ukraine's sovereignty.

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[–] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

It's hilarious seeing the liberals' comments here that prove that despite being overeducated they literally don't know how to read.

[–] pindapinda@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Literally nowhere in these remarks does it say "expansion" or "expansionism"...

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh yes you have to think a bit critically.

[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

You have to read the whole article instead of Ctrl+Fing...

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[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

What he's saying is that Putin doesn't get to dictate which alliances sovereign nations can join.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that."

[–] BitPirate@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

"Don't allow others to join your defense pact or we'll demonstrate why it's necessary in the first place."

Perfectly sane logic. Nothing strange.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (13 children)

And Ukraine was already invaded…

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[–] mephiska@artemis.camp 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Tankies everywhere in this post lol

[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For real. They really fucking love Putin too, it's pathetic.

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