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[-] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago

Does anyone have link to some more information on the science of why this is happening?

The article references a bunch of causes, like deforestation, ocean poisening affecting the ocean carbon pump, extreme heat etc. Are there any studies/data that try to break down where the impact comes from?

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago

You're asking a huge question. But to break it down, yes, thousands of studies exist, many of them paid for by the very companies doing the chemical dumping, deforestation, and natural resource pillaging.

Here's the paper they reference in the article itself: https://www.fs.usda.gov/nrs/pubs/jrnl/2024/nrs_2024_pan_001.pdf

All of this human activity, for the purposes of energy generation, agriculture, gasoline, and plastics for every day living affects the Earth and its interconnected systems. Destroying forests for wood or other resources means there are fewer carbon sinks on Earth to absorb all of the carbon we create while destroying the Earth. It's a self-perpetuating crisis. The impact comes from humans and our greed for more money.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago

I had no idea this was possible, a tipping point I never imagined. Sounds like many scientists were as ignorant as I, assuming the planet would cycle as much CO2 as ever. And now even that foot-brake is slowing?!

Fuck it. I can only do what I can do. Seen the ecosystem collapse in my region over the last 20-years, seen it collapse on my front porch in the last 4. Always shocking to me that no one is noticing the collapse in our insect populations, and amphibians, and reptiles, and fish, and mammals, and... Young people have no idea how fecund our environment was, even in cities.

I see less life in the woods than I did in my suburban hood in the 80s. And it was all the more lively in my parent's time. Ran into some rednecks 4-wheeling down to the creek the other day. Old lady seemed shocked I was swimming in it. "Hell naw I ain't goin' in there!" Well, lady, not many snakes or anything else. I was thrilled to see 5 fish, and only 1 was mature. And of all my trips there, that was the first time I'd seen more than 1 fish! (other than minnows)

We first-world people are so disconnected from the mythical "outdoors" that we think all is well as long as gasoline costs $X and eggs cost $Y.

[-] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 29 points 21 hours ago

It makes me wonder, just what are the rich old geezer and young rich hustlers going to do when the planet becomes uninhabitable due to this? Go to space? There's no where to go and our technology is only good enough to get to the Moon and Mars. But there's no where to really live that's like Earth and the exoplanets we discovered, are beyond our reach.

So I am under the belief that these climate destroying rich people, just want to ruin things at the expense and survival of others.

[-] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 30 minutes ago

I've said it before, but i think they honestly believe their money will save them. They were able to buy their way out of every other issue they've ever encountered in their life, so they think they're immune to whatever troubles us smallfolk have to deal with.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

No matter how bad it gets, the moon and mars will never be more inhabitable than earth

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 21 points 20 hours ago

They just don't believe the earth can be uninhabitable, and they think they can hide inside their home all day with AC on. They just don't care, most people i met don't anyway. It's crazy.

[-] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago

They will try to buy their way out of it. On an individual level. Water shortage, they'll pay more for water. They'll pay top dollar to keep the a/c on, etc. when no amount of money will help and they didn't plan ahead with Zuckerberg-style bunkers, they'll just die like the rest of us.

And the billionaires will possibly be killed in their expensive bunkers, if the Fallout series taught us anything.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Even escaping to a Zuckerberg-style bunker sounds depressing as fuck to me. I don’t care how fancy it is, it’s still a gilded cage with limited resources…

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Its absolutely insane to me that 118 countries tries to rely on the thing we are destroying to save it. I know the carbon sinks are just there doing their thing. But that just doesnt seem like solid logic in a fragile system. You need to place the excess carbon elsewhere.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

I read it like, we did rely on carbon sinks to keep doing their thing at a certain rate. Excess CO2 was a factor on top of that.

But now it seems we're seeing carbon sinks flat line, not keeping the steady state we had assumed was constant, unchanging.

If true, that's a hell of a tipping point. Am I reading you right?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I was more or less referring to relying on those sinks to hit carbon goals. I know they are there so its cheaper to include them. But we really need to be eliminating this completely without relying on nature. Especially if we want to continue our meddling as it is.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

We're doomed lol.

Smoke 'em if ya gottem.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Who cares.

Oil money go brrrrrrrr

/S

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

The irony is that if the weather goes to shit then how do these rich assholes think people will be able to drive around. Everything will be destroyed by climate change. No roads, no destinations to go to.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago

They don't give a shit. All they think about is making money right now. They'll sell their own mother if it means making an extra buck.

That's how these people think.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Exactly. And our society is structured in a way that promotes those types of people straight to the top of all decision making, in business and government.

Someone who makes altruistic decisions, well, their business would fail day one as they wouldn't be able to compete. And in gov't they simply wouldn't get any votes.

There are outliers of course, just not enough to have a big enough impact.

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