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[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 95 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem is that no, apparently a close to electoral college winning amount of people can't agree with that. It's disheartening and frustrating and makes my chest hurt.

[–] Seraph@fedia.io 58 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It really is starting to affect my mental health. We are far more lost than I thought, and I already thought we were pretty lost.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Right. The question is less how do we move past trump and more how do we contend with half our population seriously lacking critical thinking skills? We have a crisis on our hands and it isn’t (just) fascism, it’s an inability to correctly process the information of the world around us.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In many ways it is the core crisis that causes most of our other ones, including lack of a reaction to climate change, lack of accountability for the wealthy, lack of proper social safety nets,... because divide and conquer tactics by bad actors work a lot better if you only need to divide those who do possess critical thinking skills and those who don't from each other.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

"So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult."

George Orwell, 1984

Honestly, I think it's more than half of our population that lacks critical thinking skills. Basically, there are two big camps, and both sides are screaming about how terrible the other candidate is without acknowledging how stupid it is that we only have two viable candidates to pick from for the most powerful office in the country, if not the world.

I personally think that Trump is way worse than Harris, but that misses the point entirely. I strongly dislike both Harris and Trump, yet voting for anyone else is "throwing my vote away." If we had a different voting system that took multiple preferences into account (ranked choice, STAR, approval, etc), we could maybe have viable third party candidates to pick from. But no, we only get two realistic candidates, and it seems the quiet majority is completely okay with that.

If we had a better system, people who strongly dislike Harris could vote for someone else first, with Trump as their backup, and people who strongly dislike Trump could vote for someone else first, with Harris as their backup. And maybe, just maybe, a halfway decent candidate could be selected instead of picking between two bad options.

I think more than half of the country agrees that Trump is terrible, they just don't agree that he's worse than Harris.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anyone still claiming to be undecided on Trump in 2024 is full of shit

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More like they are totally devoid of a single critical thought in their brain

They're just bad people

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

America: .... ? ... it's so hard to choose ... I can't decide ... what if I choose the wrong one? .... it's so hard ... there's not enough information

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 6 points 1 month ago

This election isn't about "which one," it's about voting vs. abstaining.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe don't use body shaming terms though? That's just lazy, and it's mean to other people, not just the target of the insult.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm fat. I'm not offended at the term "fascist fattie" as a reference to Trump. I'm unafraid of the truth that I'm overweight because it is the truth.

Conservatives are welcome to call me "Tubby Trans-supporter", "Pot-bellied Progressive", "Dumpy Democrat", "Blubbery Biden-voter", "Flabby Feminist", "Adipose Ally", "Lardy Liberal", "Stout Scientist" "Elephantine Environmentalist", "Swollen Socialist" and more.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Pot-bellied Progressives and The Swollen Socialists would both be decent band names

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or does it make a single amazing band name?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Swollen Socialist and the Pot Bellied Progressives?

I dig it, they better be a proper punk band though. As in, none of them really know how to play an instrument, but God damn are they banging on their guitars anyways

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Pot Bellied Progressives is absolutely a folk punk group.

[–] don@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Maybe we should probably take some time to consider what sort of circumstances OOP may have had to endure due to his fascist regime, that may have prompted her post, before we start policing her tone.

It’s maybe not great to invalidate her whole message because a part of it is unpleasant. Like, acknowledge her point first, then address the microaggression, I feel.

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Adipose Ally is pretty clever ngl

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I'm fat and I'm not offended, either. However, I'd prefer that criticisms - no matter which way they're aimed - are about the character of the target. I don't care if my representative is fat, thin, or non corporeal; I just want them to be a good representative. Any mockery of the person should, IMHO, focus on how they're likely to vote or act, not how they look.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe don’t use body shaming terms though?

You mean that fat fucking glutton trump? I have to worry about insulting others only to be told their insults of me are okay. I've just about reached my limit of tolerance for those that insist I have to adhere to their standards while they are okay labeling anyone they don't like as they please. Even if that label offends.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point is that him being fat is completely unrelated to him being a horrible person.

I don't care about offending horrible people; but being overweight and being a horrible person are entirely separate.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

But he is fat. He's fat and has no reason to be fat. He can afford every diet, every personal trainer and even operation. It just shows how extra lazy and what kind of a hypocrite he is.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

"Sorry, best I can do is ignore all of that and complain about Hunter Biden."

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 14 points 1 month ago

What do you mean - we're doing fine, maybe better than ever before?

- the rich, now bring on round 2!

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

The undisputed weirdest villain in the world, Donald Trump!

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't #RememberCovid work better? The Left doesn't really do bodyshaming anymore, I mean it's even too raunchy for Sonic Generations (seriously)