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[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That's an air conditioner. Or a fridge.

You just need to adjust the output and input sizes. Do to like... physics. It is easier to add heat to a system than to remove it.

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[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The reverse microwave. I heard you need a LOT of freon.

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[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Removing heat energy is what your freezer does, by transferring it outside of the freezer box.

You can’t just remove heat by adding electromagnetic energy. Absorbing energy from the electromagnetic radiation makes heat.

Edit: whelp, TIL

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The magnetocaloric effect can do this. Instead of the target absorbing energy, the magnet does. The magnet heats up and the target cools.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just invert the microwave!

:p

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[–] muddi@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah there are those machines that like instantly cool your soda can or make ice cream instantly supposedly. They just bathe it in ice and salt water for some time basically

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Cold doesn't exist, it is merely the absence of heat. Easier to insert heat than remove it, same reason why you can put on warmer clothes in the winter, but you can't make yourself cold in the summer.

[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I don’t know if it’s a stupid question or not but I have been wondering this myself for years. :)

'projecting' energy is kinda easy... 'sucking' energy is difficult

Fridge, well. But now I'm wondering if that would be possible with electromagnetic radiation somehow. Would it be possible to direct infrared waves away from a closed chamber, making the inside cooler? Like a semipermeable membrane in shoes with water vapor?

[–] maniel@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

yeah, not only microwave but heater in general... but reversed, i asked myself that question for a long time, i mean we pump an electricity into the wire and we get heat, why not reverse? why we can "magically" get heat from electrons but to get something cold we need to pump the heat elsewhere, like microwave basically make atoms vibrate generating heat, would be cool to be able to generate some field that makes atoms stop

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago

Heat is energy release, your start with stored energy and release it. To make something cold you either have to capture energy (hard) or move it away (heat pump / refrigeration)

Laser setups that can cool individual atoms exists but they're not trivial whatsoever and they cool them by canceling atomic movement by hitting them with lasers opposing their current momentum to slow them down (cooling). It can not be scaled up in any practical way.

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[–] moldyringwald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I've been wondering this for my entire life

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