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"Asked if the 2021 result could also be reopened if Massa is in any way successful with his legal challenge, Wolff said: "And the FIA commented on the 2021 race with a clear statement.

"So that's why we're looking at it with interest.""

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[–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except the small thing that this is actual foul play by a team that was kept secret by the FIA.

2021 was an a strange call by the FIA. But there was no coverup, and it was already protested by Merc and ruled as being correct.

There is just no comparison between the two, whatever you may think of 2021.

[–] Marbles@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

This is all nonsense - the Massa case, the Marko comments, the Wikipedia thing: Wolff is just trying to mess with and distract Red Bull

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Massa is getting fleeced by his legal team, there is no way this is going anywhere. Mosley is dead and Bernie isn't going to bat for Massa on this.

[–] Ecksell@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Relevant user name, haha!

[–] BobKerman3999@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess they'll settle for an undisclosed sum. Formula 1 doesn't want to open the can of worms that is second guessing the decisions of the stewards.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with the stewards.

Allegations and evidence of Piquet being asked to deliberately crash were raised. Almost immediately afterwards. The FIA made the choice not to follow up with an investigation until after the prize giving ceremony, when the results were locked in place.

That's why Massa is taking action now. This only came out publicly this year.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we're going to litigate every dodgy decision in F1, lawyers will be buying mansions

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ignoring and even covering up a deliberate attempt at fixing a race is a bit more than a dodgy decision imo

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"dodgy" that's sure one way to refer to fixing the championship result.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The intent was to allow a dubious result to stand. That's match fixing.

Yeah, I'm not agreeing with it. If Spygate hadn't happened, maybe things would have been different. Last thing the sport needed was more scandal, hurts advertising revenues, and that was the most important thing to Bernie and Mosley.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Bernie came out in an interview and said that they chose to cover up for Renault and that he regrets his decision.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/bernie-ecclestone-discredits-lewis-hamilton-f1-title-and-tied-michael-schumacher-record/ar-AA188yg0

That interview is what spurred Massa taking action.

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I still think that was just Bernie trying to get himself back in the headlines.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That msn story is actually a Daily Mirror story, a UK tabloid which is just quoting an F1 insider story quoting Bernie's biodoc

He'd just say he thought he knew and can't recall if called as witness.